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      05-10-2014, 02:05 PM   #23
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I have at the US MotoGP race. It was loud. Sounds nothing a 335i, a unique sound to its own. Granted it at a titanium exhaust, so not stock.
That one also didn't have any mid-section cats, right? Not really a fair comparison.
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So you've heard it in person? Please share. Does it really sound like a Prius?
I have at the US MotoGP race. It was loud. Sounds nothing a 335i, a unique sound to its own. Granted it at a titanium exhaust, so not stock.
Keep in mind that exhaust had no cats or resonators at all. Straight pipes with high flow or straight flow muffler.
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I'm afraid my current 335 sounds way better than my new m4 will...
Aren't they the same thing?
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Stupid drifting ruined the video
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i'll wait for top gear, lagos, and harris to give their opinions. the most recent reviews didn't dig deep enough imo
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i'll wait for top gear, lagos, and harris to give their opinions. the most recent reviews didn't dig deep enough imo
Top gears review was rubbish It was like he didn't even drive the car..
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So you've heard it in person? Please share. Does it really sound like a Prius?
I have. It sounded worse than the Prius video, if you can believe it (surprisingly quiet - I was present during the recording of that video, BTW). The feelings of disappointment were unanimous amongst me and my group. The other guys literally laughed at how bad it was. However, after learning more about the car, I now believe that the valves were closed and that I wasn't getting the full Sport+ sound experience.
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All I can say is long live the S65.
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Why not? Based on the clips we've heard so far, i'm pretty confident an e92 335is (M Performance Exhaust) sounds MUCH better than the stock f80 exhaust. Besides, we don't know what "335i" exhaust he is comparing it to. Maybe he has an Akrapovic system on his 335i, for all we know.
It has a completley different tone from the 335i all im saying is you need to hear it in person but all you butthurt 335i fans just hate on the new M3 / M4 probably cause you cant afford it most likely..

and he's comparing a modded exhaust to stock.. change the exhaust on the new M3 and M4 and it will sound even better.
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I am missing the S65 engine already, miss my E92 and E90 M3 so much.
M cars are all about the engines!! This car sounds "mehh" (maybe because of Youtube's sound quality but still)
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I'm afraid my current 335 sounds way better than my new m4 will...
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M cars are all about the engines!!
And that's where you're wrong.
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      05-10-2014, 03:05 PM   #35
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And that's where you're wrong.
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And that's where you're wrong.
+100000!
Sutcliffe and many others disagree.
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Sutcliffe and many others disagree.
Sutcliffe puts more emphasis on the engine than other reviewers, that I will give you.

An M car has ALWAYS been about more than the engine. Many more would agree with that.
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Sutcliffe and many others disagree.
Sutcliffe puts more emphasis on the engine than other reviewers, that I will give you.

An M car has ALWAYS been about more than the engine. Many more would agree with that.
Yes M's have always been about the total package but they have all had brilliant engines to go along with the chassis. There is no excuse for the halo BMW M car to not have a world class engine. All previous gen M's have had universally praised engines. Excuses shouldn't have to be made for this car. It should look and sound the best and have the best engine...period.
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Sutcliffe and many others disagree.
Sutcliffe puts more emphasis on the engine than other reviewers, that I will give you.

An M car has ALWAYS been about more than the engine. Many more would agree with that.
Exactly!!! This +1000
If all you're looking for is sound, you would get a C63.
This is NOT what the M3 is known for.
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M cars are not about engines? Says who?

That's like buying a computer without a top notch processor.
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      05-10-2014, 03:38 PM   #41
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Wait.... 34 MPG combined....What?!
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      05-10-2014, 03:41 PM   #42
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Yes M's have always been about the total package but they have all had brilliant engines to go along with the chassis. There is no excuse for the halo BMW M car to not have a world class engine. All previous gen M's have had universally praised engines. Excuses shouldn't have to be made for this car. It should look and sound the best and have the best engine...period.
Agreed. I think M3 was always about being the car that does it all.

What makes a world class engine? Is it peaky top end that makes you want to ring it's neck out every time? The high rpm howl of a NA V8/I6? The direct, instant and linear throttle response?

All those things are amazing, but they are only one side of the coin. I loved my E90 M3, and my E46 M3. Both were amazing on track and as daily drivers. But I will be first to admit there were so many times I just wished for more mid-range for daily driving. When I test drove C63 I realized how different power delivery can also be fun. I've asked myself many times what an engine that is somewhere in between v8 AMG from C63 and S65 would be like? Would it be a better "do it all" engine? And I think BMW asked themselves the same question.

I am certain that new engine is exactly that. I think it will be a gem, just like all M engines always are.
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Agreed. I think M3 was always about being the car that does it all.

What makes a world class engine? Is it peaky top end that makes you want to ring it's neck out every time it? The high rpm howl of a NA V8/I6? The direct, instant and linear throttle response?

All those things are amazing, but they are only one side of the coin. I loved my E90 M3, and my E46 M3. Both were amazing on track and as daily drivers. But I will be first to admit there were so many times I just wished for more mid-range for daily driving. When I test drove C63 I realized how different power delivery can also be fun. I've asked myself many times what an engine that is somewhere in between v8 AMG from C63 and S65 would be like? Would it be a better "do it all" engine? And I think BMW asked themselves the same question.

I am certain that new engine is exactly that. I think it will be a gem, just like all M engines always are.
Well said.
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All I can say is long live the S65.
All I can say is: the S65 is gone. Forever. It will never come back.
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