F80 M3 vs 991 Carrera S from a roll

[MPOOR]

M3 wins ~ as speed climbs ~~

M3 completely stock Not even intake filters verses 991 911 Carrera S with BMC filters.

As I was expecting Carrea S leaps ahead due to weight advantage and wide 305 Cup 2 tires ~

My car had trouble putting the power down ~~~

Porsche 991 carrera S with PDK ~~ Mk1

[nicknaz]

Cool vid. Do you know any of the details on the 991? .1 and 7Mt?

In before the p car fanboys

[Motorsportenterprise]

These two cars are very close in a straight line (I own both). The m3/4 have almost 100 more torque which helps a lot. That said, straight line roll racing is pretty boring. If you bought either of these two cars for that you bought them for the wrong reason. Now put them on a track and it's very lopsided in favor of the 911. Against a 991.2S the m3/4/GTS don't stand a chance in either scenario.

[Powerslide]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

These two cars are very close in a straight line (I own both). The m3/4 have almost 100 more torque which helps a lot. That said, straight line roll racing is pretty boring. If you bought either of these two cars for that you bought them for the wrong reason. Now put them on a track and it's very lopsided in favor of the 911. Against a 991.2S the m3/4/GTS don't stand a chance in either scenario.

Kind of like the Porsche 918 doesn't stand a chance on the Nurburgring vs. the Huracan Performante. Performante costs hundreds of thousands less, yet still beat the 918 by 5 seconds. Wow - hats off to Lamborghini!!!

[dkhm3]

nice !

[ASAP]

This is the non turbo version Carrera, correct?

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by ASAP

This is the non turbo version Carrera, correct?

Oh yeah , it's a .1 . .2 would be gone lol .

[Motorsportenterprise]

Originally Posted by Powerslide

Kind of like the Porsche 918 doesn't stand a chance on the Nurburgring vs. the Huracan Performante. Performante costs hundreds of thousands less, yet still beat the 918 by 5 seconds. Wow - hats off to Lamborghini!!!

If you actually believe that time...plus the fact it isn't a production car. It only had a single seat, stripped interior etc. No independent observer was allowed to see or be there which only says one thing.

Just watch the video (the one basically proving the time is fake and the video sped up), because when the 918 enters a section faster, hits a higher top speed, yet the Huracan is able to cover the same distance in a shorter time, definitely not a real time. Maybe something like 7:10 which is a great time, but will be easily beaten by upcoming GT Porsche's too.

[dgp]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

If you actually believe that time...plus the fact it isn't a production car. It only had a single seat, stripped interior etc. No independent observer was allowed to see or be there which only says one thing.

Just watch the video (the one basically proving the time is fake and the video sped up), because when the 918 enters a section faster, hits a higher top speed, yet the Huracan is able to cover the same distance in a shorter time, definitely not a real time. Maybe something like 7:10 which is a great time, but will be easily beaten by upcoming GT Porsche's too.

How about sport auto's merc gtr (independent testing) outdoing 918 at the ring? Porsche fanboys can't dismiss that ..and that's for under 200k!!?

[996ttelise]

Who cares about Ring times. I would still rather roll down any street in USA in a 918 over a GTR or a Huracan. This bench racer stuff, especially at that performance level is beyond ridiculous. Lol if a 918 isn't enough car for you to drive around town. Most cannot even come close to approaching the 911s limits so it really just comes down to what looks good and what is fun to drive.

[Motorsportenterprise]

Originally Posted by dgp

How about sport auto's merc gtr (independent testing) outdoing 918 at the ring? Porsche fanboys can't dismiss that ..and that's for under 200k!!?

That's a fair point, I think it's an incredible time for the AMG, no doubt. But it also shows the person driving the 918 was not able to drive it to its full potential. If they were tested on the same day with someone who could get the most of each, I'd still put my money on the 918 and not have the slightest worry about losing. The AMG would not even be close in that scenario. Not to mention they Ring record the 918 set was done over 3.5 years ago. The track only gets faster as they continually upgrade it.
I've said several times, the new GT2 RS is going to break the 918 Ring record. That car at 3100 lbs, 650 hp/640 lb-ft, some 918 tech, rear wheel steer and PDK and active aero plus some incredible downforce is going to be something to behold.

[Powerslide]

Originally Posted by 996ttelise

Who cares about Ring times. I would still rather roll down any street in USA in a 918 over a GTR or a Huracan. This bench racer stuff, especially at that performance level is beyond ridiculous. Lol if a 918 isn't enough car for you to drive around town. Most cannot even come close to approaching the 911s limits so it really just comes down to what looks good and what is fun to drive.

To be perfectly honest - I really don't care whether the 918 or Huracan is faster around the Nurburgring - I just wanted to bust Motorsportenterprise's chops since he always finds a way to inject a Porsche comparison into everything no matter how off-topic. What is actually way more entertaining than ring times (Porsche or other makes' cars) is looking at Motorsportenterprise's posting history and how his whole life revolves around unsolicited Porsche accolades... Someone could be talking about the first time they learned how to ride a bike when they were 4 years old, and he'll come in and mention how the 911.2S would be way the f_ck faster around the N'ring than that 4-year old kid's bike...

[Motorsportenterprise]

Originally Posted by Powerslide

To be perfectly honest - I really don't care whether the 918 or Huracan is faster around the Nurburgring - I just wanted to bust Motorsportenterprise's chops since he always finds a way to inject a Porsche comparison into everything no matter how off-topic. What is actually way more entertaining than ring times (Porsche or other makes' cars) is looking at Motorsportenterprise's posting history and how his whole life revolves around unsolicited Porsche accolades... Someone could be talking about the first time they learned how to ride a bike when they were 4 years old, and he'll come in and mention how the 911.2S would be way the f_ck faster around the N'ring than that 4-year old kid's bike...

I actually did laugh at that last line.

[Powerslide]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

I actually did laugh at that last line.

[mc3456]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

If you actually believe that time...plus the fact it isn't a production car. It only had a single seat, stripped interior etc. No independent observer was allowed to see or be there which only says one thing.

Just watch the video (the one basically proving the time is fake and the video sped up), because when the 918 enters a section faster, hits a higher top speed, yet the Huracan is able to cover the same distance in a shorter time, definitely not a real time. Maybe something like 7:10 which is a great time, but will be easily beaten by upcoming GT Porsche's too.

As an update, the chief doubters recanted their initial skepticism after recently review the gps data, and learning more about how the unbelievable active aero actually works on the Huracan. Even a major critic said after reviewing the data, he now believes the authenticity of the lap, explaining that because the Green Hell has so many turns, the Lambo was able to generate much, much greater downforce, making it faster on the curved sections of the track (faster in, through, and out of turns), hence faster overall. Real lap record!

[adc]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

These two cars are very close in a straight line (I own both). The m3/4 have almost 100 more torque which helps a lot. That said, straight line roll racing is pretty boring. If you bought either of these two cars for that you bought them for the wrong reason. Now put them on a track and it's very lopsided in favor of the 911. Against a 991.2S the m3/4/GTS don't stand a chance in either scenario.

This discussion was about the 991.1, not 991.2.

And on track against the 991.1, I don't think it's as lopsided as you think, if you put them on comparable tires.

[Motorsportenterprise]

Originally Posted by adc

This discussion was about the 991.1, not 991.2.

And on track against the 991.1, I don't think it's as lopsided as you think, if you put them on comparable tires.

They both come with pilot super sports. And yes, it's definitely lopsided.

Here's a few comparable times:

Motown Mile - 911 is 2.5 seconds faster on a 55 second lap
sachsenring - 911 is 2 seconds faster in a 1:3x lap
Contidrom - 911 is 7 seconds faster on a 1:3x lap
Hockenheim- 911 is 2.2 seconds faster on a 1:1x lap

The times are not close at all. In fact, a base 991.1 is faster on track than some of the m3/4 times.

[Fahrvergnügen]

Originally Posted by Powerslide

Someone could be talking about the first time they learned how to ride a bike when they were 4 years old, and he'll come in and mention how the 911.2S would be way the f_ck faster around the N'ring than that 4-year old kid's bike...

Now that's funny!

[Fahrvergnügen]

Bimmerposters will argue about anything.

The video is just of some dudes roll racing a porsche and bmw. Cool vid.

[///F80M3]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

These two cars are very close in a straight line (I own both). The m3/4 have almost 100 more torque which helps a lot. That said, straight line roll racing is pretty boring. If you bought either of these two cars for that you bought them for the wrong reason. Now put them on a track and it's very lopsided in favor of the 911. Against a 991.2S the m3/4/GTS don't stand a chance in either scenario.

Typical Porsche fan boy response

[adc]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

They both come with pilot super sports. And yes, it's definitely lopsided.

Here's a few comparable times:

Motown Mile - 911 is 2.5 seconds faster on a 55 second lap
sachsenring - 911 is 2 seconds faster in a 1:3x lap
Contidrom - 911 is 7 seconds faster on a 1:3x lap
Hockenheim- 911 is 2.2 seconds faster on a 1:1x lap

The times are not close at all. In fact, a base 991.1 is faster on track than some of the m3/4 times.

Those times on stock tires are meaningless. Unless the car comes with Pilot Cups, tracking on stock street tires is an exercise in futility - both in the Porsche as in the BMW. As I'm sure you already know since you no doubt track your cars.

Put some meaty appropriate tires on the M3 is what I meant, and lap times will be very similar. As I'm sure you already know, since you own both.

Put dedicated track tires on the M3 and it will be even closer since it completely eradicates the traction disadvantage of the BMW. As I'm sure you already know since you own both, and of course you're not into roll racing but rather have tracked both cars.


This is a very fair way to look at things, since you can buy two freakin M's for the price of one Porsche.

[Indie4]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

They both come with pilot super sports. And yes, it's definitely lopsided.

Here's a few comparable times:

Motown Mile - 911 is 2.5 seconds faster on a 55 second lap
sachsenring - 911 is 2 seconds faster in a 1:3x lap
Contidrom - 911 is 7 seconds faster on a 1:3x lap
Hockenheim- 911 is 2.2 seconds faster on a 1:1x lap

The times are not close at all. In fact, a base 991.1 is faster on track than some of the m3/4 times.

Here is one for comparison 991.2 s vs M3 CP at Magny-Cours GP Track. As you will see the M3 is 1.3 seconds faster. Imagine the difference if a 991.1 S was used!