LED vs. Xenon

[24M]

you should do it because LEDs are better

/end thread

[gago1101]

Read the whole thread, no real reason why LED is better other than you get automatic high beams. I had this in my CLS63 and it was great, but I don't really need it, especially for $2K.

The other advantage is that it may look better for some. Well, that means I do not need it since I am driving the car from the inside and don't care what others see from outside. Think of this, when you are not driving the car, say in your garage, you do not see those LEDs light up. If you buy them for looks, you are essentially paying for other people to look and be impressed with your car. Nor for me.

[GregW / Oregon]

Originally Posted by gago1101

Read the whole thread, no real reason why LED is better other than you get automatic high beams. I had this in my CLS63 and it was great, but I don't really need it, especially for $2K.

The other advantage is that it may look better for some. Well, that means I do not need it since I am driving the car from the inside and don't care what others see from outside. Think of this, when you are not driving the car, say in your garage, you do not see those LEDs light up. If you buy them for looks, you are essentially paying for other people to look and be impressed with your car. Nor for me.

That's perfectly rational. They probably use slightly less power (meaning .002% better fuel economy) and will last longer (though HIDs will likely outlive your life with the car). Me, I like the looks and the slightly crisper light and will pay for them. PS, you can delete your duplicate post.

[24M]

You know you guys can argue left and right how every single option isn't "really worth it" for this car and I've seen god knows how many threads doing that. But as someone else said you have to pay to play. The only option on this car that mostly everyone could do without are the CCBs if you can't stomach the 8k. But come on. This is a now 80k car not a honda civic. Everything can't come standard or dirt cheap. People on ferraris are paying 3k for carbon fiber cup holders and not bi**ing about it.

The LEDs look great and I for one having used them on a 650xi will definitely select this option. I can tell you from experience they look much nicer and illuminate better than xenons.

Again pay to play.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by 24M

You know you guys can argue left and right how every single option isn't "really worth it" for this car and I've seen god knows how many threads doing that. But as someone else said you have to pay to play. The only option on this car that mostly everyone could do without are the CCBs if you can't stomach the 8k. But come on. This is a now 80k car not a honda civic. Everything can't come standard or dirt cheap. People on ferraris are paying 3k for carbon fiber cup holders and not bi**ing about it.

The LEDs look great and I for one having used them on a 650xi will definitely select this option. I can tell you from experience they look much nicer and illuminate better than xenons.

Again pay to play.

I think that is the nice thing about options, is that you have the option to take them or not.

I would even like to have more choice. Having the possibility to individually select the options like they can in Europe instead of having options bundled in "packages" would have been nice.

It is healthy to have some debate over the different options so we can better understand the benefits of each a take a more educated decision during our purchase. But, IMO, there is no such thing as a must have option. No one is "stupid" if they pick or not one option or the other as some here sometimes imply. It is all a question of personal choice and what each individual wants to do with his money.

[24M]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I think that is the nice thing about options, is that you have the option to take them or not.

I would even like to have more choice. Having the possibility to individually select the options like they can in Europe instead of having options bundled in "packages" would have been nice.

It is healthy to have some debate over the different options so we can better understand the benefits of each a take a more educated decision during our purchase. But, IMO, there is no such thing as a must have option. No one is "stupid" if they pick or not one option or the other as some here sometimes imply. It is all a question of personal choice and what each individual wants to do with his money.

These are all true but every thread goes in circles and its silly. I think people are forgetting the premium they pay for the BMW and M badge. Nothing about this car is "worth it" or "smart". But I do agree with you I'd like some individual options as well rather than packages and even some more individual options.

But probably if BMW did it that way they would be like porsche and add 20k to the sticker price then people would complain about that.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by 24M

But probably if BMW did it that way they would be like porsche and add 20k to the sticker price then people would complain about that.

The thing is, we don't even seem to get any sort of "rebate" with the bundling of options in the packages .

In Canada:
Premium: $4500
Exec: $5000
Technology: $1500
DCT: $3900
CCB: $8500
EDC: $900

That is $25k over sticker

[24M]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

The thing is, we don't even seem to get any sort of "rebate" with the bundling of options in the packages .

In Canada:
Premium: $4500
Exec: $5000
Technology: $1500
DCT: $3900
CCB: $8500
EDC: $900

That is $25k over sticker

Play fair. Cut the CCBs out lol. Then its 16.5k over sticker. Also US packages are cheaper than Canada. So when I put every single option on my build it comes to about 82k. But I also got the full leather interior as well along with harman kardon and the black wheels.

Granted they are getting up their in price. But compared to Mercedes it is still less. I think audi still has the edge on them in options but now BMW is becoming a better car. But I'm sure soon in 5 years audi will fire back and be ahead again. It's like a circle with these 3 brands.

[ss134]

We get to choose our options individually here but then we pay a lot more for the standard car than you do in the States. I'd take a cheap car and bundled options any day of the week no question.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by ss134

We get to choose our options individually here but then we pay a lot more for the standard car than you do in the States. I'd take a cheap car and bundled options any day of the week no question.

You have the free world, and ability to do what ever you want to, and the credit system rocks. Don't envy the Americans for a few bucks, their life is something completely different.

I moved here (almost willingly) because cars in Finland are so expensive there is no way of justifying buying any of this stuff there, so my comment hold (ones again) no value.

[ss134]

Originally Posted by Lups

You have the free world, and ability to do what ever you want to, and the credit system rocks. Don't envy the Americans for a few bucks, their life is something completely different.

I moved here (almost willingly) because cars in Finland are so expensive there is no way of justifying buying any of this stuff there, so my comment hold (ones again) no value.

?? I'm not 'envying ' the guys in the States. I'm just pointing out the fact that they are still getting a great deal even if they can't option their cars without buying bundled packages.

I could quite easily turn your point around and say that they are being envious of the fact we get individual options here!!??

Your post is very dramatic and if I'm honest a bit bizarre.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by ss134

?? I'm not 'envying ' the guys in the States. I'm just pointing out the fact that they are still getting a great deal even if they can't option their cars without buying bundled packages.

I could quite easily turn your point around and say that they are being envious of the fact we get individual options here!!??

Your post is very dramatic and if I'm honest a bit bizarre.

I'm envying you! I would have loved to stay on that continent. And yes, the post as usual was weird, I shouldn't even read anything without coffee. sorry for the trouble.

[gago1101]

Originally Posted by 24M

You know you guys can argue left and right how every single option isn't "really worth it" for this car and I've seen god knows how many threads doing that. But as someone else said you have to pay to play. The only option on this car that mostly everyone could do without are the CCBs if you can't stomach the 8k. But come on. This is a now 80k car not a honda civic. Everything can't come standard or dirt cheap. People on ferraris are paying 3k for carbon fiber cup holders and not bi**ing about it.

The LEDs look great and I for one having used them on a 650xi will definitely select this option. I can tell you from experience they look much nicer and illuminate better than xenons.

Again pay to play.

That is not true that LEDs illuminate better than Xenons, unless BMW has specifically designed them to be. Xenons supposed to be brighter then LEDs in general.

There have been many other arguments online, but the fact is that Xenons have reached the peak legal brightness in headlights.

..and hey, I know it is not a Honda Civic, I am paying 8K for carbon brakes.

[elitex]

Did you guys know that Toyota corolla has LED headlights standard? Apparently VW is about to do the same. It's crazy that BMW is charging $2k.

I drove a loaner with LED lights recently, I like the color but the beam is not very defined. LED's would be perfect with projector beams.

[GregW / Oregon]

Originally Posted by elitex

Did you guys know that Toyota corolla has LED headlights standard? Apparently VW is about to do the same. It's crazy that BMW is charging $2k.

I drove a loaner with LED lights recently, I like the color but the beam is not very defined. LED's would be perfect with projector beams.

Just saying a car has LEDs doesn't tell you much. The technology to make them perform is where the money is spent. I would not tKe the Corolla's as a benchmark.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon

Just saying a car has LEDs doesn't tell you much. The technology to make them perform is where the money is spent. I would not tKe the Corolla's as a benchmark.

I've driven other road users crazy here while trying to spot the difference. Honestly, I think I might have to stick with this extra just for the hell of it, but with the legislation here banning some features, I have to admit it's pure vanity, like a mascara for a car that I'm trowing 2k for.

I know people have informed us that via coding this problem can be over written, but I was the idiot who said I do, when the fellow at the registration office asked if I really wanted an engineer, and therefore I can not risk any cables in the house, with what he can mess with my vehicle. If it was up to him (and it would be up to him, I couldn't fix it) I would end up driving while the horn blares the sounds of an ice cream truck.

If someone, who is not mean and vindictive wants to help out a hopeless person, I'll take my chances. Be aware, I will hunt down your family tree till the 1800 just to make sure you have no mean seeds in you. With that, I mean Finns.

[elitex]

Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon

Just saying a car has LEDs doesn't tell you much. The technology to make them perform is where the money is spent. I would not tKe the Corolla's as a benchmark.

Yes I get that but the loaner I drove wasn't a Toyota. It was a 535i...

[Maddict3]

Originally Posted by consolidated

Anyone seen comparison pics yet?

+1

[Sir Loin]

Originally Posted by Lups

I have to admit it's pure vanity, like a mascara for a car that I'm trowing 2k for.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Maddict3

+1

See post #13

[Lups]

Originally Posted by Sir Loin

That is how I will be rolling man! And yes, when you spot me in traffic, feel free to do as C does, and T will do, and laugh out loud.

I went to the dealers last night, C messaged me that he has a summer babe for me, and then I gave him a lift to his car. He is a big man, and he is a brave man to deal with me, but he still wanted to (didn't though) scream at me cause I just had to take the longer route to his vehicle, and slam the brakes because a Lexus was on a wrong lane. I think C will never voluntarily jump in to the M4 while I'm behind the wheel.

Love that guy tough, he puts up with me.

[karbonphiber]

Originally Posted by elitex

Did you guys know that Toyota corolla has LED headlights standard? Apparently VW is about to do the same. It's crazy that BMW is charging $2k.

I drove a loaner with LED lights recently, I like the color but the beam is not very defined. LED's would be perfect with projector beams.

I agree. Drove in a friend's new audi with led headlights which uses reflector housings and it seemed like the cutoff was not as crisp compared to xenons with projectors. Maybe led with projectors will be a 2nd generation technology?