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The issue here is not a CF vs Steel driveshaft. Who the fuck cares? No one will know the difference.
The real issue is BMW's ongoing cost cutting at the expense of the cars they produce. The trend forward is paying more money for less of a car. |
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At the end of the day, I believe this is cost related. Of course BMW could engineer a solution for the emission requirement and retain the cf driveshaft, it may just cost them more. Combine that with the additional cost of the cf driveshaft itself, and they saw an opportunity to reduce their costs while using the emission requirement as the justification. It is a disappointment since it was one of the cool selling points for this model.
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Such boring times we live in eh? When did people stop caring about driver engagement and started caring only about numbers and lap times? Literally every m3 has been worse than the last as far as driving pleasures concern. But as long as the power figures increase no one cares apparently
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This is something I can control. If this is the route they're going, then you have NO say in the matter. If they did this in 2014, would you own a current M car? |
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Just an FYI for everyone. The dirty secret is that DI gas engines produce a lot of very small soot particles (Worse than diesel but diesel produces a lot more of the larger particles). The gas DPF is is an interesting development because its going to cost more money for modders to delete the emissions equipment.
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Yep and all of them had CF driveshafts.
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Yeah. The fact that this doesn't affect the CS or the GTS tells you everything you need to know. :
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GTS and CS will still have CF DS, so part will still be available as I listed the part number and price many posts above. For comparison, the steel shaft in the F30 MRSP is $954.13, online price of $763.30 compared to the CFK of MRSP $3,139.82, street price of $2,511.86. That's a $2,185.69 difference, doubt the new fuel emissions filter costs this much. But, BMW won't reduce the price by $2,000.
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On the other hand profits can be obtained through a well built vehicle that differentiate in every aspect from ordinary, than from two cheap 1 series made in China. It is BMW's choice what they will do, but I think that they should be very careful. Any individual with a clear mind can understand that. Once the BMW changes its brand perception from luxury/performance to ordinary the damage is done. It is very hard to build a reputation and so easy to loose it. The true BMW fan base still scream, talk, complain, hoping that their voices will be heard and that BMW will keep some attributes untouched. If BMW continues with this trend of "profits matters", it is just a matter of time until they will be full of cheap vehicles and cheap customers. Once gone, to bring people back will be very hard, most vehicles can perform well today, and for that reason BMW should not look for a budget fan base but work hard to maintain and increase a true performance fan base because they are the loyal ones that secure a repeat business. |
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There's a false equivalency argument here that I want to call out.
This is not the same as something like - moving away from hydraulic steering. Moving away from that saved weight and also reduced parasitic power losses to the engine. Maybe you think the trade off isn't worth it - and that's cool if that's how you feel but it is at least an attempt to get better performance. Moving from a CF driveshaft to a Steel one is just a downgrade. Whether big or small it's simply a cost driven downgrade. They didn't want to do the real engineering necessary to get the particulate filter in without downgrading the driveshaft. That's it. And it's disappointing.
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