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      01-15-2014, 09:08 AM   #45
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lol hilarious. e9x fanboys at first said "bet it wont be that much quicker due to rpm limit and not much weight diff". now they still say "its mostly due to ccb, 10sec isnt as good". sigh.. when will you stop lol
they said LEAST 10sec faster, and lap times become much harder to shorten as times drop. just like how going from 200mph to 205mph is much harder than 180mph to 200mph. this car will eat e9x alive for breakfast even with normal steel brakes.
The e9x fanboys might be spot on. 10 sec compared to the tested 2007 M3 with manual trans with initial engine software ? 10 sec could be made up with 240e, DCT and comp package option. Remember, the 240e cars were dyno'ing 25 hp higher. Comp package had better suspension and tires got better also.

I'd like to see a stock DCT Comp 2013 go against an M4 DCT without the optional CCBs. That would be interesting indeed.
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      01-15-2014, 09:13 AM   #46
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This is good. How come nothing on the pulse technology/throttle response was asked?

And regarding sport+, if its anything like the e90 sport+ is just undriveable to most.

Curious about suspension calibration being different in the models - is it due to the difference in physical makeup of the car to make them perform the same or is it to make the coupe perform better as in the m5/6 case?

And LOL at the m235 owners and to having them upping to the REAL car. Ok i found my new quote for my sig.
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This is good. How come nothing on the pulse technology/throttle response was asked?

And regarding sport+, if its anything like the e90 sport+ is just undriveable to most.

Curious about suspension calibration being different in the models - is it due to the difference in physical makeup of the car to make them perform the same or is it to make the coupe perform better as in the m5/6 case?

And LOL at the m235 owners and to having them upping to the REAL Mcar. Ok i found my new quote for my sig.
Fixed that for you--they never said the M235 was trying to be a proper M--it's similar to the S line from Audi.

Perhaps you missed that in the comments.
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If the car goes under 7:40 I will never say another bad word about it.
It wont and I think that's asking too much to ask for this car's purpose. Its a true 4 passenger sports GT car for $64k. Heck...look at the Cayman S.
GTS 7:48. Cayman S 7:55. Let's say e92 was 7:50. It goes "at least" 10 sec faster as they say. This is doable with tires, weight, and Claudia Hurtgen driving, then I'm happy.
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To support this Motor trend talked to Albert Biermann at Detroit about MT's annual track shootout at Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca, and Biermann stated that a 911 Carrera 4S, the defending BDC champ, "will need to be fully optioned with performance goodies to keep up with the M4."
If that is true the level of performance the M4 can achieve is very competitive with the 997.2 GT3 and perhaps even better...
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This is good. How come nothing on the pulse technology/throttle response was asked?

And regarding sport+, if its anything like the e90 sport+ is just undriveable to most.

Curious about suspension calibration being different in the models - is it due to the difference in physical makeup of the car to make them perform the same or is it to make the coupe perform better as in the m5/6 case?

And LOL at the m235 owners and to having them upping to the REAL Mcar. Ok i found my new quote for my sig.
Fixed that for you--they never said the M235 was trying to be a proper M--it's similar to the S line from Audi.

Perhaps you missed that in the comments.
Oops meant to quote the real THING because lets face it. Most folks out there with the m235i will say look at my badass M car

Forgot to add wth is up with the AWD comments? There are plenty of rwd high hp cars out there.
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Yes, AWD is a must for this kind of power and torque. And it feels good to be traffic lights king, why not? Where is the fun spinning the wheels up until 3rd gear?
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did you really just ask that question?
Some people.
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also, if they're just gonna mimic their competitors, that's one less thing that makes the car stand out.
I think he wants a clone to match his RS5.
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Oops meant to quote the real THING because lets face it. Most folks out there with the m235i will say look at my badass M car
Not me my man--my pops has a Z4MC, which is a proper M car--it is very different. Completely different focus and purpose.

The M3/4 are too large for my taste, which is why I am hoping for an M2--which makes the comments of getting a M235--->M3/4 very interesting. Makes me think it could possibly not be in the cards...
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      01-15-2014, 09:33 AM   #54
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ain't no time machine.
Well, we don't know that for sure.
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      01-15-2014, 09:35 AM   #56
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Oops meant to quote the real THING because lets face it. Most folks out there with the m235i will say look at my badass M car
Not me my man--my pops has a Z4MC, which is a proper M car--it is very different. Completely different focus and purpose.

The M3/4 are too large for my taste, which is why I am hoping for an M2--which makes the comments of getting a M235--->M3/4 very interesting. Makes me think it could possibly not be in the cards...
Im just commenting on the quotes. I really want an m2 too this time around since i missed out on the 1m coupe. E90m is a great car but need something even more sportier!

Although you might not, most ppl will about the m235i. I mean look at your avg msport customer. I got m this m that
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I was a huge Audi fan having had a S4, RS4, Q7 family crap hauler. They are good cars but that RS4 had major understeer, coked up intake because of FSI that Audi would not warranty, DSG suspension that failed that they would not warranty calling the hydraulic fluid coming out of the failed seals 'sweating' in a TSB etc.

Audi recently sent me a come back to Audi questionnaire....
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I have to read?
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I wish we could clarify what their lap time was in nurburgring exactly. Did they use MT or DCT?

The question is, how much of that 10 seconds is due to CCBs? Also, when comparing it to the M3, are they simply comparing it to the 2007 model's official time (probably) or the latest 2013 model with the competition package? The reality is, I suspect at least half of that 10 seconds is due to the CCBs and the gap would be a lot less if the current M3 had something as simple as brembo brakes.

Lastly, the lap time improvement between a E46 M3 and a ZCP E92 M3 is more like 20 seconds, which was a huge improvement that can be felt by the average driver in daily driving.

If you did an apples to apples comparison (standard brakes, both DCT, regular options such as sunroof, etc), and put a regular driver in the seat, I highly doubt you will see a full 10 seconds of difference.

Hey guy, I'm not sure we're reading the same thing. The point clearly states M3/4 is faster by MORE THAN 10 SEC. which could be anywhere from 11 to infinity seconds difference.

Now slow your roll.
Actually between 10 sec and 485 seconds, since this ain't no time machine.
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Interesting about the MT vs DCT weight difference. I thought that difference was about 50 lbs. for the E9x M3 as well. With the MT dropping weight and the difference staying about the same (assuming I am remembering correctly), I suppose we can conclude that the DCT has lost weight also?
I can only assume this is a typo. In the other threads, the weight difference was listed as 40kg (88lb) on the DIN weight for both the M3 and M4.

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...34&postcount=1
I'm wondering the same thing
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The e9x fanboys might be spot on. 10 sec compared to the tested 2007 M3 with manual trans with initial engine software ? 10 sec could be made up with 240e, DCT and comp package option. Remember, the 240e cars were dyno'ing 25 hp higher. Comp package had better suspension and tires got better also.

I'd like to see a stock DCT Comp 2013 go against an M4 DCT without the optional CCBs. That would be interesting indeed.
dude....240e and comp pack (which does basically nothing for performance) is not going to detract 10 seconds off a lap time.

the f8x is faster, will be faster in all tests, bmw claims it is faster in a straight line and on track and the data shows its faster.

I think its time to just accept it.
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I wish we could clarify what their lap time was in nurburgring exactly. Did they use MT or DCT?

The question is, how much of that 10 seconds is due to CCBs? Also, when comparing it to the M3, are they simply comparing it to the 2007 model's official time (probably) or the latest 2013 model with the competition package? The reality is, I suspect at least half of that 10 seconds is due to the CCBs and the gap would be a lot less if the current M3 had something as simple as brembo brakes.

Lastly, the lap time improvement between a E46 M3 and a ZCP E92 M3 is more like 20 seconds, which was a huge improvement that can be felt by the average driver in daily driving.

If you did an apples to apples comparison (standard brakes, both DCT, regular options such as sunroof, etc), and put a regular driver in the seat, I highly doubt you will see a full 10 seconds of difference.

Hey guy, I'm not sure we're reading the same thing. The point clearly states M3/4 is faster by MORE THAN 10 SEC. which could be anywhere from 11 to infinity seconds difference.

Now slow your roll.
Actually between 10 sec and 485 seconds, since this ain't no time machine.
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There are way too many variables that we dont know. Until the same driver drives the both cars back to back using the same transmission and tires and no CCBs, we can talk here for hours and all of it is just speculation.

One thing is for sure though, the amount of improvement in performance the current generation had over E46 is nowhere near with this one. The current generation took the 4.9s 0-60 time to 4.1s and the ring lap times improved by more than 20-25 seconds. That I consider "major" improvement. The bar was so high this time, the history did not repeat itself.
way to cherry pick one test that the m3 ran super quick and pick a really slow time for the e46

its more consistent to go from bmws own times.

the new m3 is PER BMW .5 seconds faster to 60.

the rest is speculation.....by YOU
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Is it me or 10sec is not much improvement for a lap on the ring!!? I expected more then that from a car that is lighter, more powerfull, has better braking and wider tires, I'm sure a lightly moded e9x could achieve that easily!
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