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I have N54 + DCT also in my Z435 and I don't have any issues when the engine is at 2000rpm and up. There is some "lag" when starting from a stop light but that is the DCT slipping the clutch |
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07-10-2014, 04:26 PM | #222 | |
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i used to have an evo ix modded to 430/420 to the wheels and throttle response was a lot more instantaneous. what size are the oem bmw turbos? |
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07-10-2014, 04:27 PM | #223 | |
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Does my N54 have turbo lag, absolutely. But in the realm of turbocharged engines (and I've owned a few), this car, without a doubt, has the least of the others. As for the DCT lag, seems like everyone has covered it. |
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07-10-2014, 04:32 PM | #224 | |
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But let me guess, in that evo of yours, you had a lot of lag below 3k? And was it FBO or did you upgrade to a larger turbo? The only STi's I knew with that much power had to upgrade their turbos which means a hell of a lot more lag in lower RPMs. It seems like BMW was able to deliver 400+ hp and deliver near minimal lag even down low. I know both my WRX and STi didn't come alive till above 3k and that was with FBO and tunes. The BMW turbos are tiny btw. |
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07-10-2014, 04:32 PM | #225 |
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Normal driving in the auto mode which does keep the RPM low.if I am driving the car in manual mode I can live with it but the E93 335is does not invite spirited driving regardless of the driving mode selected
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07-10-2014, 04:32 PM | #226 | |
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07-10-2014, 05:29 PM | #230 | |
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as far as instantaneous response, it was there...tap tap the throttle and there would actually be a response (no turbo lag)....as far as power not coming in till later, i believe that is boost threshold? i dont know but even from a dig and no launch, it pulled hard from 2000rpms. shit was awesome but i got tired of awd and japanese cars (all 4 cars prior to the evo were jdm too). |
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07-10-2014, 06:22 PM | #231 |
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I would say that's a bit beyond FBO, but sounds nice. I'm surprised you could get that power out of that turbo.
I do remember on the Subaru side, full boost wasn't achievable till 2500-3k depending. Nonetheless, that was what I would call turbo lag. On my N54, not so much. 1500 RPM and I hit the throttle, it just gets up and goes. Which is nice. |
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07-13-2014, 09:09 AM | #232 |
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Best thread yet
KARUSSEL I just to thank you for all your insight to has been great! I have been sitting on the fence about this new car but you definitely have pushed me off it in a hurry. Your honest and knowledgable responses have been refreshing and fantastic! After reading this thread I know just it is just matter of months before I am driving one these. All I need todo now is decide cloth seats or not and color! This thread is definitely the best PR that BMW could ever come up with, even if it tried.
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07-13-2014, 11:23 AM | #233 | |
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I'll have to try the manual M4. None of the dealerships have any to try out. I find that hard to believe it was the DCT but since I've never owned one I wouldn't have known it was possible. I know it doesn't engage quickly from standstill but didn't realize the same happens when you're coasting and get back on power again.
What is silly about this turbocharged debate is that looking at the dyno charts there is not much torque below 2000RPM as it builds up quickly, at least the S65 had 90% of it's torque from 2500RPM to 7500RPM. This one looks like it's got 90% of it's torque from 2500RPM to about 6000RPM and it's all uneven throughout the RPM range instead of flat. Anyways, I will go test drive one when there is one available once again. Thanks for the input, I still think the sound of the engine stinks with the stock exhaust, but maybe I'll come around with the M Performance Exhaust. There's a new video that was just posted on the main page. Maybe the car was meant to be ordered with it from the get go. Either way, the F8x M3/4 is much better than what any of the other brands will offer in the price range. I'll give it another go... Quote:
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07-13-2014, 05:49 PM | #234 |
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Thanks for the great track review and detailed description!
Now, when will you be placing your M4 on the scales?!!!! As I understand it, you have no extra options on your car. So as you know, the weight of a car like yours is bound to cause massive waves in this community. |
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I have a 2008 E92 with low miles and DCT and would like to get a MT GTS or a F82 and am on the fence. I don't need the back seats but living at 7000 feet, I like the idea of the F82 with twin turbos. I have driven the Cayman S and really liked it, but my heart seems to be taken by the F82 (although I have owned 911s in the past, it was in the 70s and 80s. My most recent cars have been an E36 and E46 prior to my E92.) Thanks for any insights you might be able to offer. |
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07-15-2014, 04:19 PM | #237 |
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They have been compared to the size of a pill-bottle top.
In Sports Plus throttle mode, they are pre-sprung and keep on spinning to allow for near-instantaneous boost. What remains to be seen for me (since I haven't had a chance to drive the car all out yet) is whether the sports plus throttle is still linear enough to be usable (the sports plus throttle in E92 was fun on freeways if you were being lazy, but no bueno on the track). It would suck if BMW spent all this money and tech to reduce throttle lag, and end up making the throttle twitchy and non-linear. |
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i'll be sure to post it once i have her stateside.
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07-16-2014, 11:47 AM | #242 | |
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In a race car you want it to inspire confidence. In fact I think its the highest compliment you can give a team director about their cars. When you know you can stop and maneuver and accelerate and put that car exactly where you want it lap after lap you can focus on pushing harder. When you have no confidence in any of the systems in a race car you can't do that any more. you are left dividing your focus on managing something extra. With the F8X we have a street car that inspires confidence on the track right out the factory floor...literally. and again i can give no higher compliment. naysayers that complain about this car won't be happy with anything i imagine. i feel bad for them.
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