M3/M4 to Get Steel Driveshafts Beginning Nov. 2017. Sales top 68,000 to date.

[neilum]

Originally Posted by classyfast

Comment of the year! Agree 100%

If that was the comment of the year I will gladly sign out of this forum and call it a lost cause, you can't be serious.

[Parabolica]

It's really quite simple. You don't like the steel shafts, don't buy the car.

[deadlyrhythm]

This is lunacy.

This will cost you mileage (more mass on the drivetrain is a negative), they won't deduct the CF vs steel differential but you'll be pay for that wonderful petrol filter now (regular maintenance). Which by the way is useless in 99% of conditions.

Disgusted.

I get that you need to install the filter
But rather re-routing the gas line and moving the filter to a location which was perhaps more difficult, they chopped a pricey component which you valued for the sake of their simplicity and new bottom line.

Engineering isn't simple, it always takes dollars into account. When it came to this, they took the easy way out which was money. It's as simple as that. Honestly.

It's just apparent they will charge you the same amount of the CF DS but keep it for themselves knowing that few will notice, fewer will complain, but everybody will love how it still looks.

[PawnStar]

Originally Posted by classyfast

Comment of the year! Agree 100%

BmwAG has fiduciary duty to its owners/shareholders to maximize profits. If the company's accountants figured out a way to squeeze costs out of a part without detrimentally affecting safety/sales/branding of the car, they better take advantage of the savings. All other considerations are noise.

Those that are unhappy with the change have a viable recourse. They can choose not to buy the car.

[roastbeef]

"production related reasons"

basically, we want this car to be more cookie cutter. what a shame.

[6ixSpd]

Originally Posted by Gibson6594

The problem is that most F8x owners care about this type of thing. At least those of us who would respond to this thread. That's what makes it a big deal. Things like a CF Driveshaft, M Buttons, CF Strut Brace, M mirrors, hood.

It's these things that made me want to buy the car. So potential future owners are going to let down by something like this.

The reality is that, with most people, not only will they not notice the difference, they don't know what the fuck a Driveshaft is.

All that superficial shit, yet not a hint of mention for factors that actually influence how an M car drives?

Yup, you nailed the mindset of F8X owners alright.

[mcc3456]

Originally Posted by PawnStar

BmwAG has fiduciary duty to its owners/shareholders to maximize profits. If the company's accountants figured out a way to squeeze costs out of a part without detrimentally affecting safety/sales/branding of the car, they better take advantage of the savings. All other considerations are noise.

Those that are unhappy with the change have a viable recourse. They can choose not to buy the car.

...and they will.

[classyfast]

Originally Posted by neilum

If that was the comment of the year I will gladly sign out of this forum and call it a lost cause, you can't be serious.

Go back and re-read what he wrote....if you will feel the same---later man!

[6ixSpd]

Originally Posted by classyfast

Not sure.....but I bet they'll write an emotional and confusing 3 page intro story about the birth of the CF driveshaft and how the owners passion and dreams were somehow manifested in this new CF driveshaft install from RKP! Such a joke! Lol

LMAO!!!!

[jaehshim]

jeez...calm down...all this hype with change in driveshaft...it's not like it's gonna make a difference in yall 35mph driving commute to work, just 1 less thing to brag about F80 in your local car meet...
The F80 was already a "restricted", downgrade M car to begin with...nothing surprising here...tuned turbo I6, electric steering, the proud oled light technologies, larger volume, made best for everyone in your commute
3 out of 5 guys I know who own F80 M3 don't even know how to rev match an engine...hence never used manual mode of their DCT, that's the truth of M3 market these days...

[dmboone25]

So much for LCI 2.0.

[MSups6]

Originally Posted by c63er

Our friend scott will surely tell us we are all stupid and this is actually an upgrade. If that doesn't work he will bring politics into it and blame either migrants, Merkel, eu or some combination there of. I think we were told that electric steering improved fuel efficiency and they had to do it because of epa regs. Many retards here actually believed that. The intelligentsia at bmw marketing now seem more focused on attacking their most dedicated and reliable clients and migrants so who knows what nonsense they come up.

Regardless of how bmw marketing spins this, it of course plays into a much larger trend at bmw of cutting costs to increase profits rather than focus on a solid product, in this case the absolute best drivers sport sedan.

Everything from electric steering, to fwd and platform sharing with Toyota is done with this cost cutting in mind.

We are all as guilty as bmw is, as we have not held Bmws feet to the flame on this issue. Most of us accept all these measures which dull what used to be the pinnacle of sports sedans.

Bmw has already figured out that as long as they add a new pastel color designed for a 4 year old girl, people will accept whatever product is underneath. This is our fault for eating it up. So many purists have long left and the few of us left are drowned out by the barrage of morons who care about what pattern wrap or what shade of gold is on a car.

Speaking about the terrible trends of electric steering, fwd, whoring out of bmw m badges and now platform sharing with Toyota, it is the platform sharing with the z4 that will define the future of bmw as a maker of enthusiast cars.

Without exaggeration, that is the most critical car we will have ever seen in regards to bmw as a maker of enthusiast cars. If enthusiasts do not speak up and your average idiot accepts that car then bmw will have won and we will all have lost. It will be clear we don't care about anything other then looks and the bmw badge. Bmw will then be smart to do the ultimate in cost cutting and use shared platforms across the lineup with Toyota. The m3 will ride on a Camry platform etc. you laugh now but if that car has success you will see it, just as you laughed at the idea of turbo in a bmw m, shared engines, fwd, electric steering, m cars with torque converters, etc. at each step including this str people laugh and are dismissive and that only degrades our position and our love if true drivers cars.

We must all make our opinions and voice heard and not accept this garbage.

Yet none of that would really matter at all if it meant the BMW is the best of its class. Which its not right now.

If being on the camry platform means an M3 can beat the Cadillac around the track then so be it. Since it cant do it now on a BMW only platform.

Hell took over a about a decade for the M3 to catch up to the Supras performance, maybe sharing a platform with toyota wont be so bad.

[CirrusSR22]

Ford dropped the carbon fiber driveshaft on the top spec Mustang too (GT500 to GT350) I'm guessing the price/performance ratio didn't make sense for them either.

[Nikolas]

Originally Posted by jaehshim

jeez...calm down...all this hype with change in driveshaft...it's not like it's gonna make a difference in yall 35mph driving commute to work, just 1 less thing to brag about F80 in your local car meet...
The F80 was already a "restricted", downgrade M car to begin with...nothing surprising here...tuned turbo I6, electric steering, the proud oled light technologies, larger volume, made best for everyone in your commute
3 out of 5 guys I know who own F80 M3 don't even know how to rev match an engine...hence never used manual mode of their DCT, that's the truth of M3 market these days...

Wait, how do you rev match a dct? I think I'm missing something?

[daffyduck]

I have a few specific questions to those who obviously have more insights (haven't read anything from them on this thread so far):

1. When is the exact point of time where F80 are going to be product with the steel camshaft? (the words "November" and "gradually" are not really precise, here)
2. When is the exact point of time where this emissions addon is going to be built in? ("a later point in time" is even worse!!)
3. Does the camshaft affect performance or responsivness of the engine?
4. Does the emmissions addon affect sound?
5. Last but not least (less important, since it's just out of curiosity): What's the real reason BMW is doing this to a car that's half a year from EOP? Or does "gradually" mean that the F80 is secretly gonna be left out of all this?

Please PLEASE give us some hints on these questions!!

[Seniorleb]

I believe that we all know very well as many has mentioned that BMW M division kept hyping the use of CF in the new M3's and M4's, weight reduced, stronger components bla bla bla. So if the current CF driveshaft having issues than this thread will be flooding with it and until today I have not heard of one DS broke or whatsoever.

On the other hand the Driveshaft and emissions? again doesn't make a damn sense here...

This is simple they are testing it for the new M3/M4 so they thought to replace all production cars Nov.2017 - untill the end of the production with this, they have simply answered us by saying also that none of u has noticed that next gen. M3-M4 will not have a CF DS!

That decision is clear: 1- Cost cutting 2-test new steel DS for next generation M3-M3 because they know not many cars will be sold during that period or else they wouldn't reveal their 68K sales before the end of this current model

[TRZ06]

I'm surprised no one has brought this up yet, but...

Maybe it's because the CFDS was so light and rigid , thats what was causing the jerky throttle starts.

I know in mine, it happens very easily, and once it starts , you have to completely back off the throttle until it stops. Mine is a DCT BTW, and happens in all throttle mappings under the right conditions.

[Seniorleb]

Originally Posted by TRZ06

I'm surprised no one has brought this up yet, but...

Maybe it's because the CFDS was so light and ridged , that what was causing the jerky throttle starts.

I know in mine, it happens very easily.

This could be a reason but it is difficult to know for sure I guess we will know soon enough once the new car will start to hit the roads!

[BoxKing]

Who da FK cares really?! Non of this will stop any of us future M car owners from buying(well maybe). If you planned to go elsewhere then do so and tell your story, but please stop your damn bitching about every god-damn-thing you don't like about the current changes.

[Tux]

Wonder if they will make CF driveshaft as an MP option...?

[BoxKing]

Originally Posted by Tux

Wonder if they will make CF driveshaft as an MP option...?

Better question is how they will replace the CF models going forward and our demand to keep it factory.

[Ghostriderf80]

That sucks, nice downgrade of a great car. Did an american company acquire BMW? WTF.