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      03-21-2017, 08:35 PM   #23
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Sport plus all the time. That rev match is just terrible and doesn't belong on these kind of cars IMO.
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Sport plus all the time. That rev match is just terrible and doesn't belong on these kind of cars IMO.
It serves the purpose that it was designed for: to help those that need it. If you don't need it, choose that mode that doesn't use it (..which you seem to do).
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sport+ because it has no filters (...retarding throttle response) and represents what the engineers intended the driver to experience...same goes for the steering, less assist and slack when you turn the wheel.
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Sport plus all the time. That rev match is just terrible and doesn't belong on these kind of cars IMO.
It serves the purpose that it was designed for: to help those that need it. If you don't need it, choose that mode that doesn't use it (..which you seem to do).
I find that there are just too many 'helpers' on cars these days and it gets annoying to always have to turn them off to just to get the the car to react the way I feel it's meant to behave. This isn't a 320, it's an M3!
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Sport plus all the time. That rev match is just terrible and doesn't belong on these kind of cars IMO.
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I find that there are just too many 'helpers' on cars these days and it gets annoying to always have to turn them off to just to get the the car to react the way I feel it's meant to behave. This isn't a 320, it's an M3!
Should that make a difference? I can't imagine what you think about all of the SMG/DCT/PDK driver's out there with their "helper" transmissions.


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I find that there are just too many 'helpers' on cars these days and it gets annoying to always have to turn them off to just to get the the car to react the way I feel it's meant to behave. This isn't a 320, it's an M3!
Should that make a difference? I can't imagine what you think about all of the SMG/DCT/PDK driver's out there with their "helper" transmissions.


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      03-21-2017, 09:09 PM   #30
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I find that there are just too many 'helpers' on cars these days and it gets annoying to always have to turn them off to just to get the the car to react the way I feel it's meant to behave. This isn't a 320, it's an M3!
Should that make a difference? I can't imagine what you think about all of the SMG/DCT/PDK driver's out there with their "helper" transmissions.


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      03-21-2017, 09:52 PM   #31
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With the ZCP, I can tell a noticeable difference in volume and the overrun between sport and sport+. Gave this a test in a quiet, underground garage where the only noise was my exhaust bouncing off the walls.

In regards to everyday driving with the 6MT, the sport+ in my opinion doesn't do easy driving when you're trying to keep the revs under 3-3.5K. You can tell this mode is designed for the throttle to be very sensitive, and thus also dropping quickly when the clutch disengages the flywheel.

I've driven a manual in all my cars since 2003 (first the Infiniti G35 6MT, a GTI 6MT, a WRX 5MT, and most recently an Audi A4 6MT), and in the M3 sport+ does warrant quicker and deliberate shifts in higher RPM's.
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Hmmm ok. I definitely don't hear any difference, but I've been wrong before. Perhaps it's different if you have ZCP? I actually remember testing it out few times but I heard no difference... even if there is difference, it's so minor I wasn't able to tell.
I have the M Performance exhaust on a 2015. With that, most of the sound of Sport and Sport+ is the same except that you definitely get more backfire "BARRRAACCCKKKK!!!" sounds with Sport+

For me; I drive efficient mode when I'm cold starting in the morning and leaving my neighborhood (Sport or Sport+ are just too damn loud for 5am on a cold start).y

Lazy driving/commuting I'm in Sport

Engaged driving I heel/toe it in Sport+

Probably spend 70% of time in sport, 30% of time in sport+
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      03-21-2017, 10:04 PM   #33
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Sport for the car's main use, daily driving; Sport + for fun driving. But I tend to use the Z4M coupe for recreational drives, so I don't have too much experience with Sport +. The sound difference between Efficient and Sport is completely obvious - I'll have to listen more carefully the next time I am in Sport+ (if it is ANY louder than Sport, I better not use it in my workplace garage!).

Regarding rev match, I've been driving MT cars exclusively (except SUV duty) for almost all of my adult life and this is the first car I've had with this feature. The only thing I loved about automated dual clutch transmissions when I've driven cars with them was the sound of the auto-blip during downshifts. So, I think the rev match feature is pretty cool. I suppose it could make me lazy but I drive my E39 M5 and Z4M coupe enough to keep me honest. While it's nice that there is setting (Sport+ throttle) that turns off the rev matching, I'll continue to wonder why this is not just another feature with an on/off button regardless of other settings.
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Maybe it's a comp pkg thing but I don't get any additional noises lol; if anything the exhaust noise is louder in SPORT than SPORT+.
I'm just the opposite but I also took off that POS OEM exhaust and an ACS one put on.

When I get on it in sport+, I get a huge GROWL/BARRACCKKK out of it, dont get that in sport. Idle and mild driving sound the same in sport/sport+
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      03-21-2017, 10:07 PM   #35
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Sport plus all the time. That rev match is just terrible and doesn't belong on these kind of cars IMO.
the c7 z06 ive been in with manual rev match was sooooo awesome
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      03-21-2017, 11:34 PM   #36
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Sport+ all the time.......pulling into daycare parking lots, grocery stores, gas stations in sport mode usually illicits unfriendly looks when it "revs". And come to think of it, if I was walking across a parking lot and someone enters with a loud rev I would be like, really? So, my reason is different than most. I do agree however sport+ is most direct, clearly louder turbo spool, and feels most natural to me and will always be my "go to" throttle mode. I've been driving manuals for 25 years so rev matching is nice but not necessary for me.
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Sport plus only, need rev match, get DCT. Rev match annoying coming in fast to stop going to low gear, always over revs.
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Sport+ always FTW! It's meant to be driven, so hence my preference. The only time I'm in Efficient is if it's really crawling. Have always rev-matched myself and for those who aren't good at it, you just need more practice.
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In regards to everyday driving with the 6MT, the sport+ in my opinion doesn't do easy driving when you're trying to keep the revs under 3-3.5K. You can tell this mode is designed for the throttle to be very sensitive, and thus also dropping quickly when the clutch disengages the flywheel.
Actually, sport+ throttle drops all augmentation/filters, there isn't any increased sensitivity added. It's the two other modes that are artificially pulled back to be less responsive.
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Always on Sport for daily commutes.

Sport + when spirited driving.

Never on efficient
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I was using Sport all the time... until one day I switched it to Sport+. Haven't looked back since. Having to manually rev match is challenging but the benefit of the extra boost and full power is worth it IMO. Sport+ is def. more responsive as well as having more burble/overrun. My wife was with me the other day and she noticed the sound and responsiveness as well without knowing I was in Sport+, so from an outsider, she noticed the difference as well.
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In regards to everyday driving with the 6MT, the sport+ in my opinion doesn't do easy driving when you're trying to keep the revs under 3-3.5K. You can tell this mode is designed for the throttle to be very sensitive, and thus also dropping quickly when the clutch disengages the flywheel.
Actually, sport+ throttle drops all augmentation/filters, there isn't any increased sensitivity added. It's the two other modes that are artificially pulled back to be less responsive.
Makes sense, the beast has always been there but just toned down in the lower 2 settings!
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sport+ because it has no filters (...retarding throttle response) and represents what the engineers intended the driver to experience...same goes for the steering, less assist and slack when you turn the wheel.
Agree on the throttle map, disagree on the steering. There is very little steering input in this car but what there is comes through on comfort mode more so than other "sportier" modes. an M instructor told me to always keep it in comfort to maximize feedback and so far I agree with him. all a matter of preference however.
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There's no additional power with SPORT+ compared with SPORT, it's just a different throttle mapping. Even in EFFICIENT mode above 3000 rpm you have all the available power if you push the pedal fully. How's that everybody seems to think otherwise?.
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