E85 Tune with Cary Jordan via PTF BM3 at Auto Talent

[Justin.AutoTalent]

Originally Posted by M4RAUDR

wow... just. fucking. wow. need this.







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Let's set it up

[Justin.AutoTalent]

Originally Posted by kleaperm3

Just wanted to give a shout out to Cary Jordan, Auto Talent and PTF for delivering a monster of a tune. Had my F80 installed with BM3 and Cary’s full E85 tune at Auto Talent and went from 393whp/403wtq to an insane 578whp/563wtq all on downpipes, exhaust, intake, stock turbos, and stock fuel system. Also boost level was set at 22.5lbs. As you can imagine with 185 additional horses the car is completely transformed. It was a pleasure to work with Cary. He is very responsive to my questions, before and after the tune. Highly recommend his tune. Also I would like to thank Auto Talent for an amazing job doing the BM3 install and working side by side to perform the dyno tune with Cary. Great staff and customer service.

Thanks for the kind words brotha!

I'll add a few of the dyno charts to the thread tomorrow when I get into the shop.

I believe one of the peak numbers were 587 Wheel? I'll go through them and confirm

[CaryTheLabelGuy]

Originally Posted by whoop_ass

Why is that torque Curve so jumpy? surely it can be dialled out to be smoother with boost control.

Here's a screengrab of the datalog itself.

[whoop_ass]

Originally Posted by CaryTheLabelGuy

It's the way that DynoPack was loading-up at the beginning of the runs and throttle plate wasn't totally open (100%). Boost was perfectly flat.

Great numbers for a stock car and that Little boost, care to share a log or is it a secret?

[M4RAUDR]

Originally Posted by Justin.AutoTalent

Let's set it up

might just do it... can you DM me cost for the whole thing? ECU is already cracked - running HEXII - all other bolt-ons in place... what else do we need? thx





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[junkbox]

Originally Posted by M4RAUDR

might just do it... can you DM me cost for the whole thing? ECU is already cracked - running HEXII - all other bolt-ons in place... what else do we need? thx





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flash back to stock and go to justin.

[Justin.AutoTalent]

Originally Posted by M4RAUDR

might just do it... can you DM me cost for the whole thing? ECU is already cracked - running HEXII - all other bolt-ons in place... what else do we need? thx





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PM incoming!

Originally Posted by junkbox

flash back to stock and go to justin.

^ +1

[Justin.AutoTalent]

Here is a before and after of Sal's M3 on our dynapack . IMPRESSIVE delta!

[VF-Engineering]

Originally Posted by M4RAUDR

might just do it... can you DM me cost for the whole thing? ECU is already cracked - running HEXII - all other bolt-ons in place... what else do we need? thx

Better yet, you should try and meet up with the OP
and do a little side by side comparison!

Chances are your car is quicker (especially at the top
of the rev range) and you have significantly better
fuel economy.

[whoop_ass]

Originally Posted by VF-Engineering

Better yet, you should try and meet up with the OP
and do a little side by side comparison!

Chances are your car is quicker (especially at the top
of the rev range) and you have significantly better
fuel economy.

This would be epic, please do this..
nice to see the outcome on different tunes..

[kchu221]

Id like to see that as well

[FSociety]

+1 I like to see side by side, may the best win
Would dare anyone to show a VF log

Congrats CaryTheLabelGuy and good job Justin.AutoTalent
+188whp +162wtq is serious!

[MNoob]

At Sonic MS now. Looking forward to it!

[Justin.AutoTalent]

Originally Posted by VF-Engineering

Better yet, you should try and meet up with the OP
and do a little side by side comparison!

Chances are your car is quicker (especially at the top
of the rev range) and you have significantly better
fuel economy.

FWIW...... Check the delta. My personal car on VF hex stage 2 and s Car we just finished tonight. I can post a cleaner looking one tomorrow.

Same mods - Msr intake, full exhaust.

MPGs seem pretty solid based on feedback from customers. 250-275 with normal M driving

[whoop_ass]

Originally Posted by Justin.AutoTalent

FWIW...... Check the delta. My personal car on VF hex stage 2 and s Car we just finished tonight. I can post a cleaner looking one tomorrow.

Same mods - Msr intake, full exhaust.

MPGs seem pretty solid based on feedback from customers. 250-275 with normal M driving

Thanks for the dyno graph, it's no brainier that the e85 tune will blow the stage 2 numbers away.. you ramping up massive timing and that's where the additional power is coming from and that's the advantage of e85 over pump, 5 deg extra timing coupled with the energy of e85 on same boost should net anywhere from 40-50whp.
the e85 Boost curve looks much better in this graph, boost curve always mimics the torque curve and here it is smooth.

get some acceleration tests 60-130mph or 62mph-124mph on vbox.

I understand it's a custom tune and it would be great sharing the BM3 log.
unless of course it's a big secret.

[Scout881]

Originally Posted by whoop_ass

Thanks for the dyno graph, it's no brainier that the e85 tune will blow the stage 2 numbers away.. you ramping up massive timing and that's where the additional power is coming from and that's the advantage of e85 over pump, 5 deg extra timing coupled with the energy of e85 on same boost should net anywhere from 40-50whp.
the e85 Boost curve looks much better in this graph, boost curve always mimics the torque curve and here it is smooth.

get some acceleration tests 60-130mph or 62mph-124mph on vbox.

I understand it's a custom tune and it would be great sharing the BM3 log.
unless of course it's a big secret.

I'd be curious to know what the total timing number is up top using e85...

[whoop_ass]

Originally Posted by Scout881

I'd be curious to know what the total timing number is up top using e85...

Ye thats why i am asking for a log, but I doubt that is going to happen

I think that is why I loved the transparency of Terry with the JB4, he made the power and put the logs out there.


I will put money down on 17-19 deg up top
care to educate us here Cary?

[VF-Engineering]

Originally Posted by whoop_ass

Thanks for the dyno graph, it's no brainier that the e85 tune will blow the stage 2 numbers away...

It’s not really a “no brainer” though, and that’s precisely
the point I was making.

That same tune (E85 w/bolt ons) produced an 11.01 @ 127mph,
where our Stage ONE (93 all stock), which presumably makes
-75hp & -65tq ran an 11.00 @ 126mph. Trap speeds are a better
indicator of performance than a dyno power run through a single
gear.

You can reference less boost/more timing, which theoretically
makes sense, but it’s looking like boost taper is negatively
affecting power delivery through multiple gears.

[MEXICO NEW YORK]

Originally Posted by VF-Engineering

It’s not really a “no brainer” though, and that’s precisely
the point I was making.

That same tune (E85 w/bolt ons) produced an 11.01 @ 127mph,
where our Stage ONE (93 all stock), which presumably makes
-75hp & -65tq ran an 11.00 @ 126mph. Trap speeds are a better
indicator of performance than a dyno power run through a single
gear.

You can reference less boost/more timing, which theoretically
makes sense, but it’s looking like boost taper is negatively
affecting power delivery through multiple gears.

This tune is still new, surely this tune has less passes down the strip to compare the bests, and surely this tune will evolve and more people will obtain it. If you were to run these two tunes on a roll any time same conditions and i know where my money will be on the outcome

I personally look forward to finally switching to bootmod3 and working with Cary just as soon as i know that this tune can deliver enough power comparatively to redline in a way that i can let my DCT upshift itself without BUCKING into the next gear when the car is back into the power band the way my current tune does, and can deliver as flat of a torque curve as possible to help with traction... I think traction management is an underestimated goal on this platform - is JB4 still the only way to manage boost by gear?

[M-Powah]

Originally Posted by VF-Engineering

It’s not really a “no brainer” though, and that’s precisely
the point I was making.

That same tune (E85 w/bolt ons) produced an 11.01 @ 127mph,
where our Stage ONE (93 all stock), which presumably makes
-75hp & -65tq ran an 11.00 @ 126mph. Trap speeds are a better
indicator of performance than a dyno power run through a single
gear.

You can reference less boost/more timing, which theoretically
makes sense, but it’s looking like boost taper is negatively
affecting power delivery through multiple gears.

I came from a stage 2 93 octane tune, not all tunes are created equal of course, but my E85 tune from CaryTheLabelGuy pulls noticeably harder. I don't have 1/4 mile times for everyone but I also drive M/T so not really comparing apples to apples with most of the guys posting times.

I would certainly be happy to roll race anyone with a different tune for comparison.

[chewbakam4]

Everyone is wrong. You must use blue italic font and write a few paragraphs with margins center justified to do it right LOL!

[whoop_ass]

Originally Posted by M-Powah

I came from a stage 2 93 octane tune, not all tunes are created equal of course, but my E85 tune from CaryTheLabelGuy pulls noticeably harder. I don't have 1/4 mile times for everyone but I also drive M/T so not really comparing apples to apples with most of the guys posting times.

I would certainly be happy to roll race anyone with a different tune for comparison.

simple, get a vbox time for acceleration
that doesn't lie and better than any dyno..