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      11-03-2013, 02:05 PM   #45
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Porsche switched this last year.
They did? I will have to check it out. Thanks.
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They did? I will have to check it out. Thanks.


Push to downshift, pull to upshift.
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Push to downshift, pull to upshift.
I've only used that method of shifting on cheap rental cars where that was the only way of entertaining myself...
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I use the paddles on the steering wheel to shift most of the time, except when I need to shift in the middle of a turn, that's when I use the stick to shift.
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Sat down and configured our first M4...decided with the Yas Marina blue, and stick...

When talking about the M5, even pure manual enthusiest like myself have trouble defending the stick in a 560hp car, but in an m3/4 chassis we thought a manual would be the best, and of course most exciting route.

Interested in hearing your guys thoughts.

I am getting the M4 because of its availability in a manual. I drove the RS5, the AMGs and I own a 6 speed M3. My car was hit by an 87 year old man 2 weeks ago who cluelessly ran a red light and hit my wife and I. We are ok, but my rental ford fusion with automatic transmission cured me from wanting an auto transmission, LOL (I know the DCT is engaging to a lot of you guys and a ford is a crappy comparison, I just miss my car!!!)

I love the feel of my car, so I cannot imagine driving without the left foot again.
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      11-05-2013, 09:04 PM   #50
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My friend has a 335 stick and I drove it last week and have to say one of the all-time worst manuals ever. I have an s2000 (great transmission) and an 08 911 c4s (ok transmission) so that's my comparison but does BMW tweak their manuals from the 3? My last two M's were dct and a smg
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My friend has a 335 stick and I drove it last week and have to say one of the all-time worst manuals ever. I have an s2000 (great transmission) and an 08 911 c4s (ok transmission) so that's my comparison but does BMW tweak their manuals from the 3? My last two M's were dct and a smg
You're comparing a BMW 3-Series to the S2000's shifter??? The S2000 has one of best feeling shifters in a modern car; EVERY BMW has lost that comparison. You're not saying anything that hasn't been said about every BMW manual.
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You're comparing a BMW 3-Series to the S2000's shifter??? The S2000 has one of best feeling shifters in a modern car; EVERY BMW has lost that comparison. You're not saying anything that hasn't been said about every BMW manual.
I'm averaging my two cars! But seriously my 95 vw had a better trans! I'm just curious if it will be the same trans as the 335?
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I'm averaging my two cars! But seriously my 95 vw had a better trans! I'm just curious if it will be the same trans as the 335?
M3 trannies are different altogether or modified versions (..I'm sure swamp2 or one of the other tech heads can be more specific), but even still.........the S2000's shift gate is one to be reckoned with. Comparing it with the Honda is a bit futile. With that said, I would wager that the draw to the S2000's shift gate is the mechanical feeling of it all; the BMW's tend to be much smoother (..almost rubbery at times) and less mechanical feeling, but the M3 shifts purposefully. I don't know that the S2000's tranny would fit the character of the BMW anyway.
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I have driven my E46 M3 for 10 years. I love the SMG in it even though it is known to jerk your head off when it is driven hard. DCT will be that much better. I am going to get DCT. And it has 7 gears!

Another reason I won't buy a Porsche or Audi is because their + and - on the stick is reverse of BMW's. BMW's "push forward to downshift and pull back to upshift" just makes more sense. Or at least that is what I am used to.
It DOES make more sense!
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