evo Magazine Supertest: M4 CP vs RS5 vs C63 S

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by ORIGIN M.

All three are overweight pigs /

Indeed for many. It is the eternal balance of compromise.

Weight of comfort and features in a series based adaptation in a track capable sporty (but not out and out sports) car.

Vs.

A light weight built for the track, void of comfort and features.

[No Boost]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

Nice work by EVO testing cars with similar commuter tires (i.e. no advantage for M4 from its Cup2 tires)

ZCP comes with MPPS, not Cup2. You're thinking of M4 CS with optional Cup2/MPPS?

[Parabolica]

Originally Posted by rr006rbc

Jesus. Fanboy level 9000. I� drive an M3 and I don't even say that..

I am most definitely not a BMW fan boy. As you can see I just recently joined this forum. I have recently test driven all three vehicles and quite honestly the Bmw provides the best overall package by a country mile in my opinion. Now the QV is another story but not tested here...

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

I'm surprised by the 0-100mph time of the C63S. I thought from other tests that car was a straightline beast

Nice work by EVO testing cars with similar commuter tires (i.e. no advantage for M4 from its Cup2 tires)

Can anyone give me a tl;dr on whether the any of the 3 were flagged as having understeer or overheat issues?

Not sure I follow you here. Only the M4 GTS and M4 CS come with PSC2, so base and CP M3 and M4 are always tested with regular performance street tires.

[ShockArrival]

Originally Posted by BeeEmDoubleYou

The M4 CP is a boat. I absolutely hated driving it. Hence why I ended up with my M2.

Never driven the RS5, but the C63 is amazing. Feels lighter than it really is and the interior is far nicer than the BMW. The C63 > M4 CP to me in terms of sheer driving pleasure.

The Audi has the best interior IMO, but no idea how it drives...yet.

While I do love the Audi's interior, the exhaust note alone on the C63s puts it ahead of the RS5 for me. I'm a sucker for the sounds!

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by JustChris

Indeed for many. It is the eternal balance of compromise.

Weight of comfort and features in a series based adaptation in a track capable sporty (but not out and out sports) car.

Vs.

A light weight built for the track, void of comfort and features.

BMW needs to use a Carbon Tub.

If Alfa can do it, then BMW can considering they own a CF Manufacturing Plant.

[adc]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

nice read, nicer to see the f8x come in first on a uk mag.

What's interesting is the only slight difference between zcp and non zcp cars. lap times do show a rather minimal improvement for the zcp. I've driven one at a bmw sponsored event and I am not sure I can tell much of a difference. But these mags think that it has what was "missing".

All hail the placebo effect. I think.

The placebo effect has been well documented to provide actual relief in patients, and now apparently in automobile testing. None of these journos seem to understand that there is no hardware change for the CP, and even the SW changes are minimal.

Or maybe I should shut my mouth and go drive a ZCP.

[adc]

Originally Posted by ORIGIN M.

BMW needs to use a Carbon Tub.

If Alfa can do it, then BMW can considering they own a CF Manufacturing Plant.

Alfa are losing their shirt on the 4C. It’s not that BMW couldn’t do a carbon tub, it’s that they couldn’t sell it.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by adc

All hail the placebo effect. I think.

The placebo effect has been well documented to provide actual relief in patients, and now apparently in automobile testing. None of these journos seem to understand that there is no hardware change for the CP, and even the SW changes are minimal.

Or maybe I should shut my mouth and go drive a ZCP.

What about the higher rate springs and sway bars?

[DrtyJrze]

Originally Posted by adc

All hail the placebo effect. I think.

The placebo effect has been well documented to provide actual relief in patients, and now apparently in automobile testing. None of these journos seem to understand that there is no hardware change for the CP, and even the SW changes are minimal.

Or maybe I should shut my mouth and go drive a ZCP.

There are hardware differences between ZCP and Non ZCP.

So you probably should shut your mouth and go drive one

[Kash]

I think the M4 is a winner because it has power dome and others don't. An obvious difference. Lol...

[nujabes24]

Originally Posted by BwoodBMW

Yeah I love BMWs but the new RS5 has my interest peaked for sure for my next car. Won't be a new M3 yet by the time I'm buying and not really interested in another one. RS5 from all of the reviews seems to be an absolute rocket with better around-the-town comfort (which means less track ability). Given I've driven my M3 absolutely 0% of the time on the track it seems to make sense if it lives up to the hype in a test drive.

Yup that’s why I’m going with the RS5 since my lease is up.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Not sure I follow you here. Only the M4 GTS and M4 CS come with PSC2, so base and CP M3 and M4 are always tested with regular performance street tires.

You guys are right.

I was confused and misread "m4 cp" as "m4 cs"

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by ORIGIN M.

BMW needs to use a Carbon Tub.

If Alfa can do it, then BMW can considering they own a CF Manufacturing Plant.

You realize Alfa is owned by FIAT SPa who also owns Ferrari, right? Ferrari makes more out of carbon than roof covers and goober electric cars.

[myzmak]

Originally Posted by Chicken_Joe

Of course it lost lol

Yup, in that one it did.

In this one, it won

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1003386

Don't get me wrong, if the question is 'best sports car to rip around a track and damn any other uses' the 911 should win more often than not.

If the question is 'best sporty car that i can throw 2 sets of golf clubs OR 2 hockey bags and/or a couple of kids and still get a 4.0 second 0-100 time', the F8X should win more often.

This summer did a trip to our place in teh mountains. Our normal highway machine (an E350 wagon) had a bulging sidewall so we ditched that car and myself, wife, 2 kids went with luggage and all 4 sets of clubs (2 were junior sets, but still) in the F8X. 400 km each way.

worked. like. a. boss.

and was still fast and sporty.

so, yeah, for me i'd never consider the 911.

when the kids are gone....and i want it for a different purpose.....then maybe (though i maintain the 911 is not very pretty. the 718/cayman is much prettier)

[YUN]

Ehh who cares, drive what you want and pick the best design for your self. All these cars are similar. Some posters here are so insecure its not even funny. it's like those idiotic comments that my iphone is better than your android, pathetic if you ask me.

[Kr0m3assass1n]

How about that green color on the Audi with the black accents. Stunning.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

You realize Alfa is owned by FIAT SPa who also owns Ferrari, right? Ferrari makes more out of carbon than roof covers and goober electric cars.

I never said they didn't.

BMW has a carbon manufacturing plant, and it is about time they used it heavily on M-Cars!

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by ORIGIN M.

I never said they didn't.

BMW has a carbon manufacturing plant, and it is about time they used it heavily on M-Cars!

Or preferably, lightly.

[FC05]

Originally Posted by ORIGIN M.

I never said they didn't.

BMW has a carbon manufacturing plant, and it is about time they used it heavily on M-Cars!

They used those on i cars already, carbon core on 7 ser's but not yet applied to 5ser and downwards

[Mrida335]

The best part of this article is the comment thread on Evo (not here, makes you appreciate this forum). Total internet fanboy sparring match. Read how quickly it devolves into name throwing and enjoy a little laugh at the behavior. Your welcome

[isugoo]

M3/4 is the always the winner on the track. the perfect balanced sport car.