2018 Mustang GT is as fast as an M3/4 in a straight line for $35k

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by JoeFromPA

....(cont'd) just priced one out and spec'd my way I'd get a GT for $48k or just opt-up for a gt350 at $59k.

Is that alot of money for a mustang, which is built on inexpensive roots? Yes.

Wonder how the gt350 will depreciate, as ultimately it's all about depreciation.

Maybe wait for the new gT350 based on this current GT and body style. The 2018 GT is close to the Gt350 in performance or at least to one from a couple years ago so it's an absolute bargain.

[86merc]

Originally Posted by JoeFromPA

....(cont'd) just priced one out and spec'd my way I'd get a GT for $48k or just opt-up for a gt350 at $59k.

Is that alot of money for a mustang, which is built on inexpensive roots? Yes.

Wonder how the gt350 will depreciate, as ultimately it's all about depreciation.

Yes, the Mustang history is that of a pony car. One more in line with the drag strip then the road course. But don't forget Mustangs were doing well in Trans-Am racing. I mean Shelby had the GT350 in 1965 that was one of people's and magazines favorite cars.

Ford engineers went after the M3 as a benchmark in recent years. The gap in performance between the two has been greatly reduced in the 2011, 2015, and again in the 2018 GT. Now what about a GT350? I would think a GT would be more inline with a 340i and a GT350 in line with a M3. Especially based on price.

I own a GT and a 3 series. There is no doubt they are kind of similar if you squint your eyes. But the BMW no doubt is a more refined and comfortable car. But man I will tell you, the GT attacks your senses much more. Even if they were to run the exact same time on a road course there is no denying the BMW is smoother and easier to drive. But damn the GT is fun to drive.

Even Randy Probst has said several times that he picked the GT350R over other cars that performed the same and were more money. Because of the experience in the Musatng. Granted the GT350R is something special, but a Mustnag none the less.

The GT350 are holding their value very well. But remember that many people paid over sticker for them. So when shopping be away that the guy asking close to sticker price may have paid $5k-$10k over sticker to get it.

[someguywithanm3]

Limited production versions of the mustang usually hold their value significantly better than GTs and lower end mustangs, but this is just a general statement and based on what I have seen over the years.

[Towerworld]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

What do you guys think? Bargain American muscle though maybe not as good around a track. Apparently it does handle better than a Camaro though. Still would look cooler behind the wheel of an M3.

If it handles better than a camaro then it handles better than an M4, I'm skeptical.


EDIT: Like a base v6 or turbo 4 okay but I doubt it can best the SS or 1LE.
Also a GT with the performance package and magnetic suspension costs 45K.

[JoeFromPA]

I rented a camaro SS convertible(for fun) and hated the seating position and greenhouse and transmission. But it handled incredible (for a 'vert especially) and the engine was a hand-of-God torque monster and sounded incredible.

If the Mustang seats and has a greenhouse closer to the Camaro, it's not going to work for me. If it's closer to a normal car, awesome.

[86merc]

I am going to guess the 2018 GT will handle better than the Camaro SS. But doubt it will out handle the SS 1LE. The 1LE a buddy owned had such a stiff suspension that he got rid of it. The 1LE is definitely aimed at the track. Was too hard for him to deal with on our crummy Chicagoland roads.

Now the Mustang GT Performance Pack 2 versus SS 1LE should be interesting.

[bimmer456]

Not sure why they moved this to the M3 forum, this is mostly about the Mustang and the performance bargain and has evolved to be about comparisons with the camaro and how they are on equal footing power wise.

[nicknaz]

Thanks for sharing. Great to see that high performance is available to more people from lower priced American cars.

This is not really news to me; American muscle has been good and cheap for a long time now. A c5 z06 modified to "t1" spec is way better that most new German and American cars around a track and you can find them for low $20k

I've gone through my m3 phase and plan to own a gt350r or z/28 type car and z07 equipped vette at some point in the future, before going back to euro exotica

All great in their own way

[IDBGOD]

Originally Posted by JoeFromPA

Wonder how the gt350 will depreciate, as ultimately it's all about depreciation.

Like any other mass produced modern car. BMW is no different. $110k+ window cars selling for half value in 2-3 years.

If you are concerned about a mass depreciating asset.... lease, or buy used in 2-3 years.

[IDBGOD]

Another Mustang vs BMW thread. Apples and oranges

Personally, if I was in the market for straight line muscle, it would be the Hellcat or Demon all day long.

But 0-60 times and straight line performance isn't something that impresses me or that I really care for these days. That's not on the top of my list when I look into buying a car.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by IDBGOD

Another Mustang vs BMW thread. .

There are so many Porsche vs bmw m threads I'm glad it's now mustang vs bmw m

[sh55]

I think a mid engined Vette would get me to buy my first american performance car, I really hope that thing is priced right and performs as well as it should...

[ClothSeats]

Originally Posted by 86merc

I am going to guess the 2018 GT will handle better than the Camaro SS. But doubt it will out handle the SS 1LE. The 1LE a buddy owned had such a stiff suspension that he got rid of it. The 1LE is definitely aimed at the track. Was too hard for him to deal with on our crummy Chicagoland roads.

Now the Mustang GT Performance Pack 2 versus SS 1LE should be interesting.

There is a Motor Trend comparison coming between the 1LE and Performance Pack 1. Unfortunately not the Performance Package 2 which adds wider Cup 2 tires and the below chassis changes.

Custom tuned MagneRide® dampers and quicker steering calibration provide better response. Other improvements over Performance Pack Level 1 equipment include a 67 percent stiffer rear stabilizer bar, a 12 percent stiffer front stabilizer bar, 20 percent stiffer front springs and rear springs that are 13 percent stiffer, all of which contribute to a more stable ride around corners with less body roll.

Looking at the configurator the PP1 is exactly the same price as the SS 1LE with the same options though.

[mrmoua2u]

Originally Posted by Never_Enough

The big thing that keeps from from considering a Mustang or Non ZL1 Camaro is the fact that I see 800 of them daily. For my main toy, I want something that is not seen daily 800 times. This is coming from someone who has owned 5 Mustangs & a few F-Bodies in the past.

You are so right. In my city, every direction I look, all I see are GT, Camero, Chargers... F8X are not so much; maybe once every 2 weeks ill see one.

[REDEV217342]

Originally Posted by kprocivic

people have no clue these days.

they really don't......trust me, more people than not (by at least a 2-1 margin I would wager) would think a 228i is a better/more expensive/more exclusive car than a Shelby GT350....because BMW roundel vs blue Ford oval.

Clueless fuckers a plenty.

[Ben Overlake]

Originally Posted by mrmoua2u

You are so right. In my city, every direction I look, all I see are GT, Camero, Chargers... F8X are not so much; maybe once every 2 weeks ill see one.

nothing is sacred in Los angeles

[REDEV217342]

Originally Posted by mrmoua2u

You are so right. In my city, every direction I look, all I see are GT, Camero, Chargers... F8X are not so much; maybe once every 2 weeks ill see one.

Was at my Florida place (Sarasota Gulf area) for a week two weeks ago and I saw 2-3 times as many Lexus, C Class MB, Audi 3/4/5 and 3/4 series BMW than a Camaro, Mustang or Charger.

A 3/4 series BMW at both my Maryland and Florida houses are as ubiquitous as a Honda Accord. Truth.

Please don't kid yourself and think a 3 or 4 series BMW is a rare site.

[Ian1973]

Originally Posted by Mr Carrots

That is actually awesome

Compare that with the utter contempt BMW has for us by locking their ECUs to prevent b58s from stealing the s55s thunder

My current car will probably be the last BMW I ever buy.

What does this mean? You can tune a B58 and get quite a bit of power out of them.

Am I misunderstanding your post?

[Mr Carrots]

Originally Posted by Ian1973

What does this mean? You can tune a B58 and get quite a bit of power out of them.

Am I misunderstanding your post?

Define "quite a bit"

Without an ECU tune to get around the fuel limit you'll need meth to go much over 400 whp so I'd say that its very crippled. Edit - this will be a 10 second car (240i xdrive) when the fuel limit is defeated and the turbo replaced, so dealing with a DME that fights against you, throttle closure etc is hugely frustrating

Jb4 alone just doesnt cut it with this ridiculous DME

[KevinM]

While I'm too vested in German cars to likely venture afar, I agree that the GT is a performance bargain. And I have to give kudos to both Ford and GM for going from irrelevant to being in the game for enthusiasts.

[Ian1973]

Originally Posted by Mr Carrots

Define "quite a bit"

Without an ECU tune to get around the fuel limit you'll need meth to go much over 400 whp so I'd say that its very crippled. Edit - this will be a 10 second car (240i xdrive) when the fuel limit is defeated and the turbo replaced, so dealing with a DME that fights against you, throttle closure etc is hugely frustrating

Jb4 alone just doesnt cut it with this ridiculous DME

I could only go by Burger's site, so they are claiming 60rwhp out of a tune, that is certainly nothing to shake a stick at, that is well over 400hp at the crank.

http://www.burgertuning.com/B58_JB4_...nce_tuner.html

[Mr Carrots]

Originally Posted by Ian1973

I could only go by Burger's site, so they are claiming 60rwhp out of a tune, that is certainly nothing to shake a stick at, that is well over 400hp at the crank.

http://www.burgertuning.com/B58_JB4_...nce_tuner.html

To give you an idea of the b58s potential, one member here is doing 3.1 0-60 with no launch on meth/stage 3, and that's with a big turbo with a much higher top end than the small stock
(And bigger turbos usually mean losing some low end)

I believe BB has pushed 550+ at the wheels on their kit.. but the erratic fueling means its not a practical option for a DD currently

When we get flash tunes this engine will be legendary but BMW made sure that won't happen for a long time yet.