RE-71R and DSC

[shaftwhy]

I just got RE-71R 265/35/19 front and 285/35/19 rear. It actually makes DSC more aggressive on track. And I can't quite explore/feel the extra grip they have over previous tires (Conti 5P) yet. Anybody had similar experience? Is DSC-off the only way to appreciate them?

One thing I did notice is that compare to previous Conti 5P, the rear right tire has significantly more wear than other tires. It is a counterclockwise circuit so may be expected, but the wear difference last year with Conti 5P was a lot smaller, and I was about the same laptime as last year. Does it indicate anything stupid was happening in my driving skills?

Collective wisdom, I bow to you for any advice. Thanks a lot!

[longkid]

I'm not a pro here, but I think the reason why you got same lap time from both tires is that you kept dsc on= = I felt like dsc(even mdm) had too much intervention when cornering. So it makes sense that you didn't feel more grip from re71r.

[MaynardZed]

Turn off all DSC and enjoy the car. The only way. It's a complete pussycat, even when it's slides it's gentle, easy to correct.

[9SECDD]

Originally Posted by shaftwhy

I just got RE-71R 265/35/19 front and 285/35/19 rear. It actually makes DSC more aggressive on track. And I can't quite explore/feel the extra grip they have over previous tires (Conti 5P) yet. Anybody had similar experience? Is DSC-off the only way to appreciate them?

One thing I did notice is that compare to previous Conti 5P, the rear right tire has significantly more wear than other tires. It is a counterclockwise circuit so may be expected, but the wear difference last year with Conti 5P was a lot smaller, and I was about the same laptime as last year. Does it indicate anything stupid was happening in my driving skills?

Collective wisdom, I bow to you for any advice. Thanks a lot!

Yes, DSC should be completely off on track.

On the street my RE71rs had noticeably better traction than my stock MPSSs. MPSSs would spin when anywhere close to floored, while the RE71Rs hooked quite well.

[alz0rz]

I too street on the 5P's and track with the Re71's. Absolutely will experience a more aggressive DSC Intervention. DSC full off is the way to go... with that said don't push it past your limits on the first lap...

[shaftwhy]

Thanks a lot everybody!

Looks like there is no way other than DSC off. Way to go to improve my skills!

[shaftwhy]

And my home track has a 140MPH+ turn, where I often feel oversteer and DSC comes in to save my butt. I guess technically I should give more throttle to keep weight to the rear to avoid oversteer. But I probably don't have the guts yet to keep right foot down going a turn with 140MPH with DSC off. Probably will chicken out and go around it with lower speed with DSC off.

[shaftwhy]

Do you mind sharing your hot pressure for RE-71R on track?

Thanks!

Originally Posted by NJ-M4

Yes, DSC should be completely off on track.

On the street my RE71rs had noticeably better traction than my stock MPSSs. MPSSs would spin when anywhere close to floored, while the RE71Rs hooked quite well.

[shaftwhy]

Do you mind sharing your hot pressure for RE-71R on track?

Thanks!

Originally Posted by alz0rz

I too street on the 5P's and track with the Re71's. Absolutely will experience a more aggressive DSC Intervention. DSC full off is the way to go... with that said don't push it past your limits on the first lap...

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by shaftwhy

Thanks a lot everybody!

Looks like there is no way other than DSC off. Way to go to improve my skills!

If you do, you need to be fully conscious of the additional risks. The safety net will be gone.

If you became decently fast with DSC/MDM, tone down your driving several notches when going DSC off and progressively build back speed.

I have seen way too many drivers, after they became decently quick while relying on the aids, crashing their car when turning them off. They had just developed too many bad habits that the aids were masking.

All that being said, I am also in the camp the DSC off is the way to go to become a better driver and fully enjoy the wonderful F8X chassis .

[MaynardZed]

Originally Posted by shaftwhy

And my home track has a 140MPH+ turn, where I often feel oversteer and DSC comes in to save my butt. I guess technically I should give more throttle to keep weight to the rear to avoid oversteer. But I probably don't have the guts yet to keep right foot down going a turn with 140MPH with DSC off. Probably will chicken out and go around it with lower speed with DSC off.

Hmm, usually this car pushes (understeers) until you add more throttle (opposite of what you're experiencing?). Don't have many 140mph turns on our local tracks though.

Nevertheless, yes, go slower when you go to full DSC off. Kind of like taking one step back so that you can go two steps forward eventually.

[afadeev]

Originally Posted by shaftwhy

Do you mind sharing your hot pressure for RE-71R on track?

35 psi, hot.

You have to keep bleeding the air out after the first two sessions, or after you start going faster.

Originally Posted by shaftwhy

One thing I did notice is that compare to previous Conti 5P, the rear right tire has significantly more wear than other tires. It is a counterclockwise circuit so may be expected,

No, not really.
You should have the most wear on your front outside tire, for CCW track that would be right front.

It may be DSC over-acting (how is your rear brake pad wear)?

Originally Posted by shaftwhy

but the wear difference last year with Conti 5P was a lot smaller, and I was about the same laptime as last year. Does it indicate anything stupid was happening in my driving skills?

It means DSC is what's slowing you down, not the tires.
Try running in MDM mode (still intrusive, but a little less so), and see if you can tell the difference.

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[shaftwhy]

Thanks!

I too developed bad habits such as abrupt inputs. I need to address them before turning DSC off.

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

If you do, you need to be fully conscious of the additional risks. The safety net will be gone.

If you became decently fast with DSC/MDM, tone down your driving several notches when going DSC off and progressively build back speed.

I have seen way too many drivers, after they became decently quick while relying on the aids, crashing their car when turning them off. They had just developed too many bad habits that the aids were masking.

All that being said, I am also in the camp the DSC off is the way to go to become a better driver and fully enjoy the wonderful F8X chassis .

[shaftwhy]

The turn is a transition from level surface to downhill. When the transition happens, the rear can be unloaded a little bit thus oversteer. I only go through it with about 1/3 throttle and about 0.4G, yet still sometimes feel oversteer. I suppose there are more mechanical grips I can utilize, adding more throttle is the only solution I can come up with.

Anyone familiar with pacific raceways can tell me whether I understand turn 1 correctly?

That turn is the primary reason I have been keeping DSC on. Because the apex is on the wall, and oversteer without correction means hitting the wall @140+MPH, quite scary to me.

Originally Posted by MaynardZed

Hmm, usually this car pushes (understeers) until you add more throttle (opposite of what you're experiencing?). Don't have many 140mph turns on our local tracks though.

Nevertheless, yes, go slower when you go to full DSC off. Kind of like taking one step back so that you can go two steps forward eventually.

[shaftwhy]

Thanks. I was running about 38/39 hot, will try lower next time.

I forgot to track my brake wear. Will pay attention to it next time.

Yes I will try MDM at first and fix my bad habits (abrupt input especially throttle input), then try DSC off once I am a better driver

Originally Posted by afadeev

35 psi, hot.

You have to keep bleeding the air out after the first two sessions, or after you start going faster.



No, not really.
You should have the most wear on your front outside tire, for CCW track that would be right front.

It may be DSC over-acting (how is your rear brake pad wear)?




It means DSC is what's slowing you down, not the tires.
Try running in MDM mode (still intrusive, but a little less so), and see if you can tell the difference.

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[BitchinManWheels]

Originally Posted by shaftwhy

Do you mind sharing your hot pressure for RE-71R on track?

Thanks!

34 front and 37 rear, hot
Keep track of temps too if you have tpms. Traction falls after 180 degrees. That's when I usually pit to cool off.

[BitchinManWheels]

I'm also getting use to all nannies off and my times are significantly slower as I relearn to drive. I developed A LOT of bad habits with MDM on. Way more fun tho!

[shaftwhy]

Thanks, I will definitely go slower and relearn my skills.

Originally Posted by BitchinManWheels

I'm also getting use to all nannies off and my times are significantly slower as I relearn to drive. I developed A LOT of bad habits with MDM on. Way more fun tho!

[BitchinManWheels]

Originally Posted by shaftwhy

Thanks, I will definitely go slower and relearn my skills.

I'm also driving in Sport throttle mode too! Get use to the power then go to Sport plus.

[CPWINCH]

Euro MDM for the win. My car still gets sideways with Euro MDM but it just catches me at the last minute (if I haven't already corrected)

[Rude Boy]

Hows Euro MDM?

[shaftwhy]

On track or on street?

Originally Posted by CPWINCH

Euro MDM for the win. My car still gets sideways with Euro MDM but it just catches me at the last minute (if I haven't already corrected)