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      07-02-2018, 03:02 PM   #89
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Porsche are fine, except for the box of turds 4-cylinder 718.

Until the 718 GT4 arrives with a proper engine, it is 911 or bust.
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      07-02-2018, 03:28 PM   #90
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Porsche are fine, except for the box of turds 4-cylinder 718.

Until the 718 GT4 arrives with a proper engine, it is 911 or bust.
If you’re dissing the F4 and driving an M3/4 you’ve got no leg to stand on. Sure, it’s not as sonorous as the F6 but it’s got a mean note. It definitely beats the tin cans dragging on the ground M3/4 sound.
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Porsche are fine, except for the box of turds 4-cylinder 718.

Until the 718 GT4 arrives with a proper engine, it is 911 or bust.
Or find a 2016 cayman GTS. Those sound amazing!
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Or find a 2016 cayman GTS. Those sound amazing!
Yes they sound incredible. But below about 4K they are not that loud. You need to rev them to really get the variocam to turn over and then you get that (winning) Le Mans wail.
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      07-08-2018, 11:10 PM   #93
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Drove a Cayman S for ~ 250 miles. It was really great, what you give up in sound is made up for in power, IMO. I was fortunate to drive a 6MT which was a good match for the torque. I would never buy a PDK. Drove a GTS as well and it sounded better, but for me the S is enough of a car for me.

Downsides
Getting in and out might get old.
2 seats. Do you like a lot of driving by yourself?
Would require anyone with kids to have another vehicle.
Draws a lot of attention.
Did I mention only 2 seats.
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      07-10-2018, 11:38 PM   #94
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So I made the mistake today and drove two Caymans; a 2014 Cayman S (manual transmission) with the sport exhaust and a 2016 Cayman GT4.

The GT4 may be the best car I've ever driven. I can't yet afford it, but I'm going to dream about it...and one I am going to try and own in the next few years.

However, even the 2014 Cayman S was also driving magic. I instantly felt a connection to both cars, in a way that I haven't in my F80. And the sound both of these cars made is insane.

They both felt "slow" in a straight line compared to my tuned F80, but we went up a windy mountain road and I was definitely faster and trusted both of the Porsche's more than the F80...this after just a few minutes of driving.

Seriously considering swapping my F80 for the Cayman S- I'll save thousands of dollars too which is a bonus...plus the only mod I'd want to do is tint the windows and buy some sticky tires.
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      07-11-2018, 12:17 AM   #95
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I think the lower power helps with confidence.
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      07-11-2018, 02:36 AM   #96
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I think the lower power helps with confidence.
Don't disagree, but I was was carrying more speed in every way with the GT4 in the bends. Caymans both felt so settled and hunkered down. My M3 was a brute in comparison.
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Don't disagree, but I was was carrying more speed in every way with the GT4 in the bends. Caymans both felt so settled and hunkered down. My M3 was a brute in comparison.
Yes, that's the difference between a $65k m3 sedan and a $100k gt4 pure sports car.

You going to join the Porsche band wagon too?
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      07-11-2018, 03:05 PM   #98
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Yes, that's the difference between a $65k m3 sedan and a $100k gt4 pure sports car.

You going to join the Porsche band wagon too?
very seriously thinking about it. Best part is that my trade in value is roughly the same as the price I paid for my M3 8 months ago. I can also part out my Volk wheels, springs, and the cosmetic parts and make a bit of money back.

They're going to let me have the Cayman S for the weekend to see how I like living with it. I'll decide then..and I've also started my quest to save up for the GT4, which the Cayman S will also help with since I won't mod it lol.
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I've had almost exactly those two cars - except my '14 Cayman S didn't have PSE.

I dunno if you're looking for input but I am tempted to tell you to just keep the F80 and wait for the GT4. My concern is that coming from a tuned F80, you might not tolerate the lower power of the Cayman S on normal roads and highways. You test drove the car in the canyons, which is its element, so I'm not surprised you fell in love...but at least drive it in more 'normal' settings before you decide.

The GT4 on the other hand, gives nothing up to the F80 except number of seats. It has a better power to weight ratio than the bmw, and the better sound, sharper handling and steering, and excellent shifter will give you an improved experience that can't be seen in the numbers. That car, I have no problem unequivocally recommending over the M.
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very seriously thinking about it. Best part is that my trade in value is roughly the same as the price I paid for my M3 8 months ago. I can also part out my Volk wheels, springs, and the cosmetic parts and make a bit of money back.

They're going to let me have the Cayman S for the weekend to see how I like living with it. I'll decide then..and I've also started my quest to save up for the GT4, which the Cayman S will also help with since I won't mod it lol.
I'm biased. I passed on 981 cayman s. Too slow in a straight line for me.

GT (and to a lesser extent 911 turbo) is the way to go.
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      07-12-2018, 03:03 AM   #101
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I've had almost exactly those two cars - except my '14 Cayman S didn't have PSE.

I dunno if you're looking for input but I am tempted to tell you to just keep the F80 and wait for the GT4. My concern is that coming from a tuned F80, you might not tolerate the lower power of the Cayman S on normal roads and highways. You test drove the car in the canyons, which is its element, so I'm not surprised you fell in love...but at least drive it in more 'normal' settings before you decide.

The GT4 on the other hand, gives nothing up to the F80 except number of seats. It has a better power to weight ratio than the bmw, and the better sound, sharper handling and steering, and excellent shifter will give you an improved experience that can't be seen in the numbers. That car, I have no problem unequivocally recommending over the M.

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I'm biased. I passed on 981 cayman s. Too slow in a straight line for me.

GT (and to a lesser extent 911 turbo) is the way to go.
Agree with both of you- the power was definitely down in the Cayman S...but what a world we live in where 325 hp is considered "slow". I'm going to drive the S all weekend to see how I like living with it.

I will have to wait a minimum of a year, if not two, before I can comfortably afford a GT4. Hopefully the prices haven't skyrocketed by then. I hope the 718 GT4 (RS?) trounces it in every way so that the prices plummet on the old one
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I find it comical that the performance of a low center of gravity, mid-engined 2-door sports car can even be compared to that of a 4-door sedan. Generally, they are two completely different tools for two completely different purposes. Oh, and both occasionally can be really fun at the track....
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the other issue with the F80 is the chassis is poor and can't handle all the power. ZCP made it a little better though
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the other issue with the F80 is the chassis is poor and can't handle all the power. ZCP made it a little better though
And another issue with the F80 is that 17% of all opinions about it on the forum are BS.
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And another issue with the F80 is that 17% of all opinions about it on the forum are BS.
And at least 50% of forum members haven't received formal training on how to drive the car

Source: the poll asking about track usage of m3/m4
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And another issue with the F80 is that 17% of all opinions about it on the forum are BS.
Okay...? Just saying the car has more power than the chassis can handle. It's corroborated by every car review/journalist. I guess they're all BS?

I still use launch control for fun but I'm already expecting wheel spin.
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the other issue with the F80 is the chassis is poor and can't handle all the power. ZCP made it a little better though
The F8X chassis geometry is essentially the same as every other M-car of the last 20 years. So to call it "poor" is quite a stretch.

It is, however, the first turbo model which takes some getting used to. It needs better dampers and a good driver too.
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Okay...? Just saying the car has more power than the chassis can handle. It's corroborated by every car review/journalist. I guess they're all BS?

I still use launch control for fun but I'm already expecting wheel spin.
Having more power than the chassis can handle is not a bad thing. It means you have to learn to manage the throttle and not treat it like an on/off switch.

And then you have a serious bunch of people on this forum who go ahead and add another 100 horses to it. I guess they think the car doesn’t have enough power.


I drove mine on the stock PSS tires on a very wet track (couple of times) and was amongst the fastest cars, Porsche and Corvette and Viper included. I never thought it had too much power, I thought it was just right.

Can this chassis be made better? Yes, no doubt. The damping is simply not as good as Porsche’s for example. It’s not rubbish, it’s simply not as accomplished. And they could also offer the larger brakes from the M2C as an option.

That’s about it for me.
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