Video: Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio Head 2 Head vs M3 Competition, C63, ATS-V

[mbiondo]

Originally Posted by F82_M4

The M3 looks and drives the best while the C63 has a nicer interior and better sounding engine, the rest I'm not interested in.

For me the Giulia is the first, and only, real contender to the M3. Ever. The MB is not in this category, despite what the world thinks. T

[Zeroblade]

Just saw this and agree with mostly everything said about the cars. I hate the look of the Alfa though. It's just too busy front and back for my tastes. The interior (which they didn't show) looks AHHHHH-mazing but if its not user friendly like the said, thats the only nice thing I'll say about the Alfa. Performance being similar is great but if the car isn't user friendly with it's interface I'll pick the M3. Ain't nothing more annoying when the car is difficult to use.

[NewM3driver]

Originally Posted by Who's on first

But... But... But... the ZCP isn't worth it, said tons of F8x owners.

Mainly those people haven't owned both versions as I, and several other members, have.

Good video.

The people who are saying it isn't worth it are those stuck with non ZCP cars. Anyone that has spent time driving both would never say the pre ZCP car is a better car. It isn't even close. Even if you toss the wheels out of the equation, the smoother power delivery, better handling, and vastly improved exhaust is worth twice the price.

[W///]

Originally Posted by clutchdj

The best non idiotic vid I have seen by Bert and Ernie.

Just wait till you see the M2 vs V6 Camaro 1LE that is about to come out later. It's borderline unwatchable. They need to get rid of these clowns and just get Carlos to do the proper reviews.

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by paikman

No doubt it has the performance, but just personally I don't like the clover emblem (too hybridy of a feel) and the front end looks.

Are you serious? That Cloverleaf goes back to 1923, for good luck.
https://www.google.com/amp/jalopnik....?client=safari

What you just said is like not liking M Division just because a guy from European Ford help start it.
http://jalopnik.com/the-unlikely-sto...w-m-1756927547

[paikman]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

Are you serious? That Cloverleaf goes back to 1923, for good luck.
https://www.google.com/amp/jalopnik....?client=safari

What you just said is like not liking M Division just because a guy from European Ford help start it.
http://jalopnik.com/the-unlikely-sto...w-m-1756927547

I mean like i said, just personally for aesthetic wise I don't like it. It doesn't mean my opinion holds more or less weight because of it lol. I understand theres tradition behind it, just still dont like how it looks.

[KELVIN7]

For daily drive purpose, i think W205 C63S is the in this competition. Because the interior and the monster V8TT, but the downside of C63 sedan is no wide body as M3 and C63 coupe do. Also the shift selector is on the steering wheel is ridiculous for a performance car.

[yousefnjr]

Originally Posted by paikman

... I don't like the clover emblem (too hybridy of a feel) ...

I think we've hit a new low here bimmerpost

[bjcarls]

I've seen it in person, in red and its sexy as hell, lots of great looking curves.
Yes, the front isn't great but way better than in pictures or video. Any car guy will love looking at this car. Our local dealer has 12 quad's sold with a wait/delivery time of July - not bad.

[FC4]

I just can't watch these two beta males. I get embarrassed as soon as they start talking.

The Alfa, on the other hand, really is growing on me. If only they made it in coupe form, I'd be interested in it. There's no justification for 4 doors on a car where luxury is not a priority.

[paikman]

Originally Posted by yousefnjr

I think we've hit a new low here bimmerpost

because i dont like one of the main aesthetic designations that Alfa chose for this as a performance model? as i said before, history of it aside - its just a personal opinion, yours isnt validated more than mine lol. me? it gives me vibes of recent hybrid logos such as Ford's and NOT specialized performance variants that every other car in this segment shoots for (which is what this car IS competing for at 80k price range)
Ford hybrid logo :


if it doesn't for you that's fine, just stating that's how I feel, on a public forum, God forbid lol

[vladberca]

BMW has a response to Alfa.
The CS versions 👍

[FC4]

Originally Posted by hanszilla

Has anyone seen a lease on the Alfa? I'm almost sure it's significantly more than the M3.

I'm sure the numbers are along the lines of a C63...about $1500/mo. Realize though that BMWs are an outlier when it comes to lease deals.

[jpdchicago]

Originally Posted by vladberca

BMW has a response to Alfa.
The CS versions ��

Totally agree. That will settle it for good and the M4 CS is already coming soon! (July?)

[MCarRacr07]

having trouble understanding the issue people have with the tire compounds..
the QV comes stock with the Pirelli Corsa tires. they were not slapped on for the test. it is OEM. frankly I question the practicality of putting essentially R-Compounds on a street car....
that said....in normal everyday driving it is a toss-up...personal preference as the cars are very closely matched...
and in the real world the only place to to have the 2 compete is the track...
and I'm of the school of thought that it will basically come down to the driver...

@Doc. I agree that for me the Alfa purchase was just about wanting something different after 28 years of owning M cars....and finally realizing a dream to own an Italian sports car/saloon.
the key for me will hang on its reliability, durability, dealer service.
I have been watching/reading the threads here about people comparing the 2 & I notice ironically, that the majority of the F80 cars are leases....
IMHO how can you offer an opinion on a car that you drive/rent for a max of 3 years for most, and every service, and issue will be covered under warranty or service?....
all of my M's have been very very good cars over the long haul, from reliability, cost to maintain was normal to me based on the fact they these are high performance cars that require routine & preventive maintenance in order to give you years of satisfaction. the only dog of the bunch was my E92 that was almost lemoned under NYS law....didn't stop me from getting an F80....
just thought I'd throw in my 2 cents as I have experienced both cars..
Regards
M

[swanson]

Originally Posted by W///

Just wait till you see the M2 vs V6 Camaro 1LE that is about to come out later. It's borderline unwatchable. They need to get rid of these clowns and just get Carlos to do the proper reviews.

Carlos is BORING

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by paikman

I mean like i said, just personally for aesthetic wise I don't like it. It doesn't mean my opinion holds more or less weight because of it lol. I understand theres tradition behind it, just still dont like how it looks.

Have you ever thought that maybe that your opinion (mind) was really influenced because as they mentioned "hybrid" there was brief glimpse of the cloverleaf? Thus the common association with greenery/plants and hybridization?
Go back and watch. I have solved your confusion.

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by vladberca

BMW has a response to Alfa.
The CS versions 👍

That's if they make a CS version of the M3. And of course, Alfa already has that covered. They can lose weight as well and if this is supposed to be the engine in the alleged upcoming Ferrari Dino, then you are looking at 550-600 hp. And I don't think BMW is willing to try to outshoot a Ferrari sourced engine. Especially when they'd charge an arm and a leg for it.

[FC]

The Alfa is very tempting. I think it looks great, sounds good, and the ride/steering/handling seems excellent.

Unfortunately, no stick=no sale for me, and the unknown quality & reliability and lack of European Delivery are also demerits.

Also, it remains to be seen if it can be had for less than an M3. My future, well-equipped M3 is only 75k MSRP, and I expect to pay under 70k. The Giulia QV, who knows?

[Colinv6]

Really enjoyed that video! Thought the presenters were great too

[yousefnjr]

Originally Posted by paikman

because i dont like one of the main aesthetic designations that Alfa chose for this as a performance model? as i said before, history of it aside - its just a personal opinion, yours isnt validated more than mine lol. me? it gives me vibes of recent hybrid logos such as Ford's and NOT specialized performance variants that every other car in this segment shoots for (which is what this car IS competing for at 80k price range)
Ford hybrid logo :


if it doesn't for you that's fine, just stating that's how I feel, on a public forum, God forbid lol

Somebody should really invent a place where people could share and discuss eachother's opinions

[hanszilla]

Originally Posted by FC4

I'm sure the numbers are along the lines of a C63...about $1500/mo. Realize though that BMWs are an outlier when it comes to lease deals.

For a DD at 1500/month I think I'd pass...rather get a 991.2 S for the same amount of money. Ouch.