AMS claims M3/M4 Nurburgring Lap Time of ~7.50min !

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Yeah that's cool. I like go off of the fastestlaptime website.

http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife.html

I personally prefer the Sport Auto times as those are verifiable and comparable. They are set with a known car and known spec. And not least on the same length of the track. They also disclose what tires the car had during the timed run etc. Further the lap times are set by the same driver.

So, IMO, the comparable times say that the E92 M3 did 8:05 and so did the F10 M5. Meaning that under similar circumstances and same driver, the E9x M3 and F10 M5 lap same time around the 'Ring.

When BMW says the M5 CP is 10s faster than the M5 non CP and further say that the F8x is 15s faster than it's predecessor. Then that, to me, means the F8x still is 5s faster than the M5 CP around the Nürburgring... (Because the E9x M3 and F10 M5 have set identical comparable times under similar circumstances. So if one is 10s faster and the other 15s faster, one obviously is 5s faster than the other)

[FogCityM3]

Good observation. If one actually reads the SportAuto article testing the M5, it in fact did the 'ring in 8:05. I really don't know where people (including Fastest Laps) get this information.

As far as any time differences quoted by BMW, those are BMW factory times..notice how they never mention the actual time of their tests, but only relative differences (eg 5 secs faster, etc). BMW does not quote SportAuto times.

Originally Posted by Boss330

I personally prefer the Sport Auto times as those are verifiable and comparable. They are set with a known car and known spec. And not least on the same length of the track. They also disclose what tires the car had during the timed run etc. Further the lap times are set by the same driver.

So, IMO, the comparable times say that the E92 M3 did 8:05 and so did the F10 M5. Meaning that under similar circumstances and same driver, the E9x M3 and F10 M5 lap same time around the 'Ring.

When BMW says the M5 CP is 10s faster than the M5 non CP and further say that the F8x is 15s faster than it's predecessor. Then that, to me, means the F8x still is 5s faster than the M5 CP around the Nürburgring... (Because the E9x M3 and F10 M5 have set identical comparable times under similar circumstances. So if one is 10s faster and the other 15s faster, one obviously is 5s faster than the other)

[FogCityM3]

BTG lap is slower vs SportAuto lap because is during tourist season and you can't hit full speed on that straight (its entry and exit)...add +10 secs at least to a BTG time to get SportAuto time for comparability.

edit: meant to say BTG lap is shorter, thus the lower times.

Originally Posted by RPiM5

From Bimmerpost Members back in the day.
http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=549428

Autoblog
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/06/27/u...n-time-at-the/


On Estoril, Max Ahme, responsible for the chassis development at BMW M GmbH, said: “With Competition Package, the M5 is 10 seconds faster on the Nordschleife (of the Nürburgring)” This would mean the lap time dropped from 7 minute 55 to 7: 45.
"575 HP 2014 BMW M5 On-Track Review By Dutch FIA Champion Henny Hemmes" -The Auto Channel.Com

F13 M6 no Comp Pack 7:44 - BTG.
http://fastestlaps.com/cars/bmw_m6_2012.html

There are no recorded times known for F13 M6 Comp Package around the Ring. But one can guess it would be a solid 10 seconds faster than 7:44 BTG. Putting it at, at least 7:34 BTG, which would put it at around the same Ring times as the Audi R8 GT and Konigsegg CCX. Now that's a FAST BMW!

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by FogCityM3

BTG lap is slower vs SportAuto lap because is during tourist season and you can't hit full speed on that straight (its entry and exit)...add +10 secs at least to a BTG time to get SportAuto time for comparability.

This is one of the best laps I've seen in a M6. It's a 8:05 lap and he does BTG in 7:44.

So here it's 21s added to a full lap on the BTG time.

[ss134]

Here we go again, every f***ing post about the new M3/4 over the last few days has ended up turning into yet another Vs M5/6 post with the same culprits responding every time a performance increment or time is posted about the new M3/4 obviously desperate to show how much faster their car is than these new cars.

M5/6 is faster in every respect than the new M3/4. Done. Now please go back to M5 board and stop boring the rest of us.

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by ss134

Here we go again, every f***ing post about the new M3/4 over the last few days has ended up turning into yet another Vs M5/6 post with the same culprits responding every time a performance increment or time is posted about the new M3/4 obviously desperate to show how much faster their car is than these new cars.

M5/6 is faster in every respect than the new M3/4. Done. Now please go back to M5 board and stop boring the rest of us.

My posts have been to show that the F8x actually seems to be faster than the M5/6, since that was brought up...

And why not compare the F8x both to E9x, F1x and other sports saloons?

[rick berry]

I always wondered how much the 155 mph limiter affected the laps times that were able to be posted by the E92 m3's. Have felt that a delimited car would be significantly faster on some parts of this fast track. The E46 CSl M3 has held the M3 record for around a decade. The new M4 with the drivers package and 174 limiter should equal or beat that time.

[ss134]

Originally Posted by Boss330

My posts have been to show that the F8x actually seems to be faster than the M5/6, since that was brought up...

And why not compare the F8x both to E9x, F1x and other sports saloons?

I'm not talking about you! Lots of great threads including uae247s are being jacked. There seems to be an influx of specifically M5/6 owners on almost every thread now talking about their cars. There is a a vs section if they wish to discuss further but every thread is turning into the same debate......it's ruining the actual threads and going massively off topic.

Maybe I'm in the minority but it's getting very tedious.

[Never Convicted]

Originally Posted by ss134

Here we go again, every f***ing post about the new M3/4 over the last few days has ended up turning into yet another Vs M5/6 post with the same culprits responding every time a performance increment or time is posted about the new M3/4 obviously desperate to show how much faster their car is than these new cars.

M5/6 is faster in every respect than the new M3/4. Done. Now please go back to M5 board and stop boring the rest of us.

LOL...cut them some slack. They spent $40k more, and they still can't get chicks. This is all they got.

[e39>all]

Originally Posted by ss134

I'm not talking about you! Lots of great threads including uae247s are being jacked. There seems to be an influx of specifically M5/6 owners on almost every thread now talking about their cars. There is a a vs section if they wish to discuss further but every thread is turning into the same debate......it's ruining the actual threads and going massively off topic.

Maybe I'm in the minority but it's getting very tedious.

You are not in the minority. UAE has given us two great threads with hard data, videos, and answers to the questions most potential buyers wanna know. I've gotten way more useful stuff from him than all the reviews combined.

The m5/6 campaign machine has hijacked those threads as well as this one. It was entertaining at first, but it's become pretty redundant and sad. The insecurity and hate is baffling.

[Tonymiabmw]

Originally Posted by Never Convicted

LOL...cut them some slack. They spent $40k more, and they still can't get chicks. This is all they got.

Its like with women. When a younger hotter women walks in the room(M3/M4) and grabs all the guys heads All the women snub her.(M5/M6/F30)

[VCP]

LOL, Snap!

Originally Posted by Tonymiabmw

Its like with women. When a younger hotter women walks in the room(M3/M4) and grabs all the guys heads All the women snub her.(M5/M6/F30)

[VCP]

Only a few more weeks and 30ish forum members will ease all the ???? Munich bound

[DieGrüneHölle]

Same exact time as the E46 M3 CSL.

Hmm...

[VCP]

Hmmm what?

Originally Posted by Blipit_

Same exact time as the E46 M3 CSL.

Hmm...

[MrCsquared]

Originally Posted by ss134

I'm not talking about you! Lots of great threads including uae247s are being jacked. There seems to be an influx of specifically M5/6 owners on almost every thread now talking about their cars. There is a a vs section if they wish to discuss further but every thread is turning into the same debate......it's ruining the actual threads and going massively off topic.

Maybe I'm in the minority but it's getting very tedious.

You're not in the minority. All the cars are great, let's leave it at that. The M3/4 are not meant to compete with the M5/6. I try to not even respond in any of the threads right now because of the constant competitive nature of the owners of ALL M cars and then the ensuing rebuttals...

[Cuz5150]

No way the M3 and M4 have identical times around the ring......

The sedan M3 is more aero stable towards the rear/trunk area.

The M3 will hold a faster time than the M4................just saying.

and the 7:50 time? Pics or it didn't happen........

[turbo8765]

I'll be surprised if Sport Auto can duplicate a 7:50.

Hope they do, but I'm not holding my breath.

[Cuz5150]

Originally Posted by Blipit_

Same exact time as the E46 M3 CSL.

Hmm...

Hmmm X2

[TheRealOrosie]

Originally Posted by ss134

Here we go again, every f***ing post about the new M3/4 over the last few days has ended up turning into yet another Vs M5/6 post with the same culprits responding every time a performance increment or time is posted about the new M3/4 obviously desperate to show how much faster their car is than these new cars.

M5/6 is faster in every respect than the new M3/4. Done. Now please go back to M5 board and stop boring the rest of us.

Could not agree more.

[/// M sa]

Originally Posted by Never Convicted

LOL...cut them some slack. They spent $40k more, and they still can't get chicks. This is all they got.

Best effing line so far... Who gives a F, it's a more expensive luxury car that has lost it's value very quickly so they have to show something for their under water investments :-)

[coloradoe92m3]

To be fair 805 was with 6 speed for e92 as wellas on pPS2 tires. The f80 is likely with dct and super sports. Given tires alone could make up 10 seconds, I'm not sure we looking at a true huge gain