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      08-24-2016, 04:38 PM   #23
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Yes! M4 faster.. but mine is actually slower because I have 6mt
C63S FTW. .7 seconds faster doesn't make it the better car. Both great cars, however this time around I think the C63S is the better all around car. With the E92 and W204 the M3 was definitely the winner. Mercedes has upped their game significantly. The one thing I would say this car does need is a dual clutch tranny, those 7 speed autos aren't that great.
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      08-24-2016, 05:19 PM   #25
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C63S FTW. .7 seconds faster doesn't make it the better car. Both great cars, however this time around I think the C63S is the better all around car. With the E92 and W204 the M3 was definitely the winner. Mercedes has upped their game significantly. The one thing I would say this car does need is a dual clutch tranny, those 7 speed autos aren't that great.
based on what? reviews? your opinion?

I had a w204, how is it any different this time around?

6.2 v8 vs 4.0 v8
heavier car vs lighter car
mct vs dct

c63 was faster in a straight, but the m3 was faster in a track.

is it ANY different this time?
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      08-24-2016, 05:23 PM   #26
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Ok as much as I want to seat here (like the rest of you) and take the numbers above and believe that the M4 is faster ::
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      08-24-2016, 05:36 PM   #27
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... lol at the ///M owners flexing over tenths of a second.

So does this mean that the ZCP fanatics are full of shit and the Honda Civic M3 crowd's feelings are safe for another day?

The interior on the C63 isn't even comparable to what's in the M3/M4 and the C63 pays for it with its weight disadvantage, but damn - that's a nice play to be.
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C63S FTW. .7 seconds faster doesn't make it the better car. Both great cars, however this time around I think the C63S is the better all around car. With the E92 and W204 the M3 was definitely the winner. Mercedes has upped their game significantly. The one thing I would say this car does need is a dual clutch tranny, those 7 speed autos aren't that great.
based on what? reviews? your opinion?

I had a w204, how is it any different this time around?

6.2 v8 vs 4.0 v8
heavier car vs lighter car
mct vs dct

c63 was faster in a straight, but the m3 was faster in a track.

is it ANY different this time?
Yes based on my opinion. I said all around car, I'm not talking about speed and track times.
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      08-24-2016, 06:59 PM   #29
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Jb4 m4 will get killed by a tuned c63s. Bottom line - both great cars but way more potential in the c63s
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Both good. Nobody on the street will drive more than 8/10ths without getting their license pulled. With my tuned E90, I run out of road before I run out of car and I have less than 400 ponies.
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The difference between all cars is less than 1 second. I wouldn't even call that a bragging right lol.
And I'm sure most M3/M4 drivers would never tell the difference in speed in real world spirit driving.
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Given the results:
- M2 is best and most car & power for the money
- M4 with 6MT was most fun to drive out of all

Nothing else matters.

P.s. Form the driver of f80 m3 with DCT
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based on what? reviews? your opinion?

I had a w204, how is it any different this time around?

6.2 v8 vs 4.0 v8
heavier car vs lighter car
mct vs dct

c63 was faster in a straight, but the m3 was faster in a track.

is it ANY different this time?
Except for the motor trend test. Somehow they managed to make the amg lap over a second faster. Maybe because the track favored higher speeds as supposed to a more technical track.

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Jb4 m4 will get killed by a tuned c63s. Bottom line - both great cars but way more potential in the c63s
Sure, but stock vs stock, the underdog wins this round! It's amazing what BMW can do with a 3 liter inline six!
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Given the results:
- M2 is best and most car & power for the money
- M4 with 6MT was most fun to drive out of all

Nothing else matters.

P.s. Form the driver of f80 m3 with DCT
Omg here we go with the M2 again, it's like scratch cd playing over and over again.. I Test drove the shit of the M2 on a track Homestead speedway and it doesn't not compare to the m3/4 not to mention how cheap and Non M it felt
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Given the results:
- M2 is best and most car & power for the money
- M4 with 6MT was most fun to drive out of all

Nothing else matters.

P.s. Form the driver of f80 m3 with DCT
Lol, its possible for all the fans to find a way for their favorite car to win

Btw this already a short/technical track that should favor the m2.
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Except for the motor trend test. Somehow they managed to make the amg lap over a second faster. Maybe because the track favored higher speeds as supposed to a more technical track.
A more technical track is more fun anyways.
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Except for the motor trend test. Somehow they managed to make the amg lap over a second faster. Maybe because the track favored higher speeds as supposed to a more technical track.
A more technical track is more fun anyways.
Technical *and* fast ...

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A few examples in the US
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Neener-neener pumpkin eater, that c63 can suck my weiner! Maybe? Yeah uh......zcp ftw. Lol

Now to actually read the article...
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based on what? reviews? your opinion?

I had a w204, how is it any different this time around?

6.2 v8 vs 4.0 v8
heavier car vs lighter car
mct vs dct

c63 was faster in a straight, but the m3 was faster in a track.

is it ANY different this time?
Agree, but the C63S has had some faster track times in certain comparos.

C63S excels on more open, higher speed tracks. The M3 excels on the tighter, more technical tracks. Same as last generation.

Including the ATS-V, the performance of this segment is very close. The average of their lap times throughout these comparos are so similar, it is a little crazy actually. Except for the RC-F, which is just terrible attempt. Lexus will fix that next time around...hopefully.
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Agree, but the C63S has had some faster track times in certain comparos.

C63S excels on more open, higher speed tracks. The M3 excels on the tighter, more technical tracks. Same as last generation.

Including the ATS-V, the performance of this segment is very close. The average of their lap times throughout these comparos are so similar, it is a little crazy actually. Except for the RC-F, which is just terrible attempt. Lexus will fix that next time around...hopefully.
watch this old video, professional drivers on the same track same day racing the w204 c63, e90 m3, is-f, multiple laps.

the finish was very very close, just as it would be now if the race was between current gen cars. skip to 5:20 if you don't have the time.

The difference is how the cars drive- getting from point A to point B was/is/has been pretty much nearly the same.

some of us value lightness/low weight, some value exhaust noise, some value looks or interior, some value NA, etc.

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Except for the motor trend test. Somehow they managed to make the amg lap over a second faster. Maybe because the track favored higher speeds as supposed to a more technical track.
if you look at all the laptimes accumulated on fastestlaps.com you will see a more distinct difference between the cars. ats-v on average is faster than the m3 which is faster than the c63s (sedan). all cars finish very closely.

also, i would take m/t results with a grain of salt. they have the x5m/x6m on willow springs faster than the m3.

I have both cars and that's just plain ridiculous, there is no way. if you look at other tracks the x5m/x6m is not even close to f8x times.

m/t also praised the cts-v and the gm auto box, then the latest video vs the gs-f they criticize the same cts-v's autobox as too slow, bouncing off the rev limiter.

I watch m/t reviews like I watch luche libre or wrestling, it is more for entertainment value than facts, especially when they put Johnny Lieberman and Jason Cammissa together.
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Omg here we go with the M2 again, it's like scratch cd playing over and over again.. I Test drove the shit of the M2 on a track Homestead speedway and it doesn't not compare to the m3/4 not to mention how cheap and Non M it felt

This. I did the same at LRP and have to agree.
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Jb4 m4 will get killed by a tuned c63s. Bottom line - both great cars but way more potential in the c63s
Do you seriously think the heavy AMG has more potential to get faster lap times than the M4?

Or are you limiting your definition of potential to drag racing?

The test highlights that AMG still prefers to make a heavy muscle car over a light weight nimble sports car. Due to it's more powerful engine, the AMG claws back some of what it looses on the track.

I think that if we go 10 years down the road we will still see the same scenario as we do today at track day events at places like the Nurburgring. There will be a lot of BMW M3/M4 from the F8x generation tearing up the Ring, just like there are a lot of E46 and E9x today. AMG's are rarely seen and if you see one, it's usually not driven hard or track prepped like a lot of the M3's are.

The heavy current gen AMG C-class will probably not become a track tool either...

Not saying it's a bad car, just slightly different philosophy. And the F8x has a huge advantage to start with because of it's lighter weight. Which means it has much more potential to be the better and faster track car.
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