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      05-14-2018, 01:52 PM   #1
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Non S version...Nice numbers 0 - 60 & qtr mile for this little 2L 4 banger! 4.3(4.1 roll) and 12.6, and it handles like it’s on rails. Ive read the 2.5L S version is around 3.6 0-60. The non S version is really on my radar.

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109mph trap speed?

That's pretty slow for a $70k+ pure sports car
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109mph trap speed?

That's pretty slow for a $70k+ pure sports car
Stripper Non S version with PDK is $60K.
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109mph trap speed?

That's pretty slow for a $70k+ pure sports car
"They" will tell you, you're looking at it the wrong way. Your focus should be on the driving experience and unrivaled handling ability vis-à-vis the competition in the segment.
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"They" will tell you, you're looking at it the wrong way. Your focus should be on the driving experience and unrivaled handling ability vis-à-vis the competition in the segment.
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Stripper Non S version with PDK is $60K.
Right... well, compared to a 5 seats/4door F80 that's same price but a different level of straightline acceleration

Or old school used car c5z (likely already prepped for "T1" competition) for much less

Or newer used car c7z

etc

I love my p-car, but will PASS on these newer non GT cars
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Right... well, compared to a 5 seats/4door F80 that's same price but a different level of straightline acceleration

Or old school used car c5z (likely already prepped for "T1" competition) for much less

Or newer used car c7z

etc

I love my p-car, but will PASS on these newer non GT cars
For street use they are all most certainly different cars that scratch different itches. I was just surprised what Porsche was getting out of their non S version. Throw in the handling and it’s very impressive, of course if you don’t need 2 back seats as a daily driver.
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For street use they are all most certainly different cars that scratch different itches. I was just surprised what Porsche was getting out of their non S version. Throw in the handling and it’s very impressive, of course if you don’t need 2 back seats as a daily driver.
I guess we are coming at it from different perspectives.

My take of what Porsche is getting out of their non S version for $60k+ is "not much".

Frankly what I'm surprised by is what Porsche is getting out of their customers these days $-wise for these types of "vanilla" cars
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Pretty impressive indeed. Obviously the light weight and pdk helps with acceleration. Nearly on par with the F8x off the line and down over 100hp.
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I guess we are coming at it from different perspectives.

My take of what Porsche is getting out of their non S version for $60k+ is "not much".

Frankly what I'm surprised by is what Porsche is getting out of their customers these days $-wise for these types of "vanilla" cars
I agree. Saw a base 718 recently and I was blown away at how pedestrian it sounded and looked.

A $60K - $70K BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Chevy (ZL1), or Ford (GT350) plays and looks the part. Nowadays, Porsche doesn't... Porsche has always been about "feels." Yet, they went completely against that with the 718 and put a 4 banger in it after a wonderful NA6. And on top of that increased the price (which is expected, but still...)

As I have said before, the 718 is a lot better off just going fully electric as soon as possible.

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I agree. Saw a base 718 recently and I was blown away at how pedestrian it sounded and looked.

A $60K - $70K BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Chevy (ZL1), or Ford (GT350) plays and looks the part. Nowadays, Porsche doesn't... Porsche has always been about "feels." Yet, they went completely against that with the 718 and put a 4 banger in it after a wonderful NA6. And on top of that increased the price (which is expected, but still...)

As I have said before, the 718 is a lot better off just going fully electric as soon as possible.
The original 718 was a 4 banger.
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The original 718 was a 4 banger.
Wasn't it also a 1300lb factory racecar? The marketing association clearly worked on you

CSBear, I dont disagree. If they didn't do anything to add power the cars would be even more uncompetitive. I would be on board with a lightweight electric car as next iteration for sure
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My wife looked and drove both the Boxster and Cayman when looking compared her M4 ZCP. The S is a must imo, it’s weird, by the numbers they are fast, but they don’t seem that fast when driving them, not a fan of the flat 4 at all. Hell that S cayman is close to 911 C2 numbers, but real world not even close in feel and overall experience. You really need to drive them first. I hate the flat 4, oh, I already said that.
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Wasn't it also a 1300lb factory racecar? The marketing association clearly worked on you

CSBear, I dont disagree. If they didn't do anything to add power the cars would be even more uncompetitive. I would be on board with a lightweight electric car as next iteration for sure
It was the comment “they go completely against the 718” which was gas to start with that’s odd to me, and “should have replaced it with electric”.

Nothing wrong with electric mind you, which Pcars are going into. Just saying, to stay true to the 718 badge, gas is more of a natural choice. Maybe 718E?
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My wife looked and drove both the Boxster and Cayman when looking compared her M4 ZCP. The S is a must imo, it’s weird, by the numbers they are fast, but they don’t seem that fast when driving them, not a fan of the flat 4 at all. Hell that S cayman is close to 911 C2 numbers, but real world not even close in feel and overall experience. You really need to drive them first. I hate the flat 4, oh, I already said that.
The S would be the one to have or even a gt4 if one could afford it.
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My wife looked and drove both the Boxster and Cayman when looking compared her M4 ZCP. The S is a must imo, it’s weird, by the numbers they are fast, but they don’t seem that fast when driving them, not a fan of the flat 4 at all. Hell that S cayman is close to 911 C2 numbers, but real world not even close in feel and overall experience. You really need to drive them first. I hate the flat 4, oh, I already said that.
I really like the power and torque of the 4. The 718 shares the GT4 front suspension and shares the brilliant overall suspension that the 991s have. The 718 GTS was a dream to drive and felt by and large as quick as my 991.2S on a very spirited drive through some nice B roads and some highway runs. Truth be told, the Flat 4 sounded way better than my M4 and M3 with MPE. Much more Motorsport in its sound, especially at higher RPMs. My fiancé drove it and she got rid of her 991C4S Cabrio and has always loved 911s and even walked away extremely impressed with the 718 GTS after being skeptical. I’m a fan. I am not of the ones that are hitting 100k+. That is 911 territory. The new GT4 is going to be quite a car, especially if they end up doing the 4.0 liter. Talk about a car that will appreciate. Even the old GT4s are still going for over sticker.
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Much rather find a low mileage CPO 981 GTS. They sound glorious and look just as good if not better.
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It was the comment “they go completely against the 718” which was gas to start with that’s odd to me, and “should have replaced it with electric”.

Nothing wrong with electric mind you, which Pcars are going into. Just saying, to stay true to the 718 badge, gas is more of a natural choice. Maybe 718E?
I'm aware of the original 718's motor, but this isn't the 1950's. My point is the NA6 in the 981 was a big part of that car's character. No, it doesn't have the performance figures of the new turbo 4, but the NA6 was lauded by Porsche-philes for a reason (just see Rennlist for the divisiveness in that forum). Porsche was trapped in a corner due to EU regulations, and switching to this new engine made a lot of sense for them. Also, the Chinese (who Porsche and other manufacturers are really targeting right now) don't care if the engine is a turbo 4 or NA6, plus they have their strict regulations to deal with anyway.

The change to the 718 nomenclature was done so Porsche marketing could hark back to its past history, and leverage that nostalgia to save face. Of course, they had to amp up performance big time, because if they didn't, the 718 would have been a complete disaster for them in every way.

The Cayman and Boxster have kept their names for a long time through various generations... why change it to the 718? Because Porsche (marketing) knew the change to the turbo flat 4 was going to really ruffle some feathers, and they needed to promote a "new car."

I am not saying the 718 is a bad sports car, quite the opposite, it is a very capable machine. However, the Cayman (including the 981 GT4) was never really about 0-60 times, torque, etc. But I understand, that many value that at a higher level, and the 718 is the car for them.

Anyway, I apologize to any 718 owners. It is still a great car (which BMW would never dare make), but as a former 981 (GT4) owner, I can get a little passionate about that platform at times because the Cayman is my favorite car.

At the end of the day, I would love to have a 718 GTS, but with some options/tax (GTS interior, etc), we are talking about a $100,000 4 cylinder car. For me, even if it is psychological and nothing more, that would be a tough sale.

Now if the new 718 GT4 is definitely a naturally aspirated 6, that's a different story.
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I'm aware of the original 718's motor,...

But as a former 981 (GT4) owner, I can get a little passionate about that platform at times because the Cayman is my favorite car.

Now if the new 718 GT4 is definitely a naturally aspirated 6, that's a different story.
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I had a 2007 Cayman. Loved the handling of the car, and the sound of that six-banger just behind you. However, I realized early on that I should have gotten the S. Just didn't have the guts I had wanted, and certainly not as fast as my M4, IMHO. Very limited use car, also, with nowhere near the practicality of the M4.....but you should know that up front. Have always wanted a 911, probably never will have one. Love the way they drive, but I'll stick with the M4 since my car must also be my DD. I agree, everyone should own a Porsche once in their life. But I disagree that build quality is better in a Cayman than in my M4. 911 maybe, I can't say. YMMV.
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