M2 using S55, what gives!

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by JibSTir13

What I mean is that you can get a Cayman S (without options of course) for the same price as a loaded M2 (as estimated). One is a beefed up car on a non-sports car platform, the other was designed as a sports car form the get go. Since either car would be a toy/weekend car rather than a DD for me, I'd opt for the S.

Yes, the Cayman is a turbo-4, but that alone is not a deal breaker for me. It's not simply about a larger motor, rather the overall package of the entire vehicle.

Well, M2 would be my dd, weekend, and track car, similar to my M4. That's another reason Cayman S wouldn't suit me. I know what you meant but all I will say to a base Cayman S is "No, thank you". I just tried to build one by only selecting the minimum amount of options and it didn't look pretty.

Decent wheels: $1600 (can go up to $3500)
Sport seats plus: $800
PDK: $3200
Torque Vectoring, which only comes with active suspension: $3100

Adding up close to $9k so final price of near $80K. And this is not even half way loaded Cayman. I didn't even mention the interior options, auto seats, LED headlights etc. Plus the cost of maintenance as well. Anyways, I see your point but I definitely wouldn't be happy with a $70K Cayman S that doesn't at least include the options I mentioned above.

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by FC

Until M2 gets two extra doors, the M3 is king.

To me, the M3 is the compelling option of the two F8X cars. Many more cars (new and used) compete with the M4.

I would probably go with the M2 over the M4 even without the S55.
Personally, I would get the most 911 I could get, or better yet, the most Cayman/Boxster I could get before I get an M2 or M4.

At least the original M2 was a steep discount over an M4 and pretty good value new.

If I felt there was a chance of needing the back seats, I'd just get the M3.

Just my opinion.

Actually if one was going to lease an M2 vs an M4 a couple years back the rates were so terrible on the M2 that the more expensive M4 leased for less.

[jc05e46m3]

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

Actually if one was going to lease an M2 vs an M4 a couple years back the rates were so terrible on the M2 that the more expensive M4 leased for less.

This is true.

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by JibSTir13

What I mean is that you can get a Cayman S (without options of course) for the same price as a loaded M2 (as estimated). One is a beefed up car on a non-sports car platform, the other was designed as a sports car form the get go. Since either car would be a toy/weekend car rather than a DD for me, I'd opt for the S.

Yes, the Cayman is a turbo-4, but that alone is not a deal breaker for me. It's not simply about a larger motor, rather the overall package of the entire vehicle.

I would go look for a clean low mileage cpo 981 S or GTS before I would even consider the 4-banger 718.

[FC]

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

Actually if one was going to lease an M2 vs an M4 a couple years back the rates were so terrible on the M2 that the more expensive M4 leased for less.

Oh sure. That is a whole different angle. And if the M4 is cheaper to lease, then it's no contest.

[JibSTir13]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

I would go look for a clean low mileage cpo 981 S or GTS before I would even consider the 4-banger 718.

Sure, that's another option as well.

My point is that the estimated price of an M2 Comp opens up other options if one is looking for a toy/weekend car.

For someone looking for a DD, it's a whole other story.

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by JibSTir13

Sure, that's another option as well.

My point is that the estimated price of an M2 Comp opens up other options if one is looking for a toy/weekend car.

For someone looking for a DD, it's a whole other story.

Every time I configure a 718 Cayman S it is never less than $85k. An easy $20k more than I believe a configured M2C will be. A well optioned M2C should be around $65k(msrp around $57k).

[nicknaz]

I like it and put my name on a waitlist here in CA.

I would have preferred the body shape as a pure 2 seater with lesser weight, and am hoping that will be Supra

[JibSTir13]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Every time I configure a 718 Cayman S it is never less than $85k. An easy $20k more than I believe a configured M2C will be. A well optioned M2C should be around $65k(msrp around $57k).

If this is a weekend/toy car, the option list should be pretty minimal IMO.

If you option the Cayman with a bunch of stuff not offered on the M2, then of course it will get expensive, but it's also not a fair comparison.

Besides, the cost of the M2 Comp has yet to be released (at least to my knowledge), so this is all speculation.

Even at $5k more, you're getting a real sports car with the S.

[nicknaz]

^ there's so many ways to think about the second car

If it's not a daily, you could get away with a race car with a license plate if you were really dedicated to all out performance

I'm personally of the opinion that a spec boxster or spec 996 with a license plate would be way more fun for back roads than a non gt4 981

[F80Moe]

M2 deserves the S55

Good thing it weighs about the same as the M3/4

[neilum]

M2 should have had S55 from the start. N55 had no place in an M car.

And whoever said it, I agree. If I didn't need 4 doors to fit my needs, I'd be in a Porsche. I would completely skip over the M2 if I didn't need 4 doors...

Personally the S55 means nothing being in the M2, I wouldn't buy it anyway. The Porsches are too good

[csbear]

Originally Posted by neilum

M2 should have had S55 from the start. N55 had no place in an M car.

And whoever said it, I agree. If I didn't need 4 doors to fit my needs, I'd be in a Porsche. I would completely skip over the M2 if I didn't need 4 doors...

Personally the S55 means nothing being in the M2, I wouldn't buy it anyway. The Porsches are too good

Well, in that case I believe you are talking about some 991.2 model, as the current Cayman/Boxster (IMO) are severely overpriced with options. So the price delta of the 911 vs the M2 is significant to the point you can't even compare the two.

I don't care what their performance numbers are on the 718, a turbo 4 is pretty much the low end engine of what German car enthusiasts want. The 718 is just better off going fully electric or even hybrid asap.

[MyFragileHalogen]

And we will see if the crank hubs in M2C will spin as well?

[KevinM]

The M2C should be a great car, and you can spec it with F80/2 sport seats. It will probably be my next DD in a year or so.

[neilum]

Originally Posted by csbear

Well, in that case I believe you are talking about some 991.2 model, as the current Cayman/Boxster (IMO) are severely overpriced with options. So the price delta of the 911 vs the M2 is significant to the point you can't even compare the two.

I don't care what their performance numbers are on the 718, a turbo 4 is pretty much the low end engine of what German car enthusiasts want. The 718 is just better off going fully electric or even hybrid asap.

You're right, I am not referring to new prices or new P cars.

991.xx or 981 GTS is where I would be in the 2 door range.

I just think Porsche being a true sports car platform is a no brainer if you don't need the practicality of a sedan. Of course my 02.

M2 still an awesome car no doubt

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by csbear

I don't care what their performance numbers are on the 718, a turbo 4 is pretty much the low end engine of what German car enthusiasts want. The 718 is just better off going fully electric or even hybrid asap.

Interesting thought.

I passed on 981 S in 2015 and got f80 in no small part because 981 was too slow in a straight line

With 718 power, I'd likely go that route instead of f80 zcp, if I were ordering today.

I would have taken a 350hp turbo 4 in m2 vs n55, if it came with a big weight reduction

[csbear]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

Interesting thought.

I passed on 981 S in 2015 and got f80 in no small part because 981 was too slow in a straight line

With 718 power, I'd likely go that route instead of f80 zcp, if I were ordering today.

I would have taken a 350hp turbo 4 in m2 vs n55, if it came with a big weight reduction

Ok, I admit I was having one too many beers when I criticized the 718 in my previous post. I was just disappointed in the switch from NA 6 to a turbo 4 on a car that Ive always loved. (Cayman) And coming from a GT4, where the sound was sublime, when I heard the 718 for the first time at a dealer, I was like, “you've got to be kidding me!” However, I still have to give the 718 S or GTS a drive before making any rushed judgement. I am hearing (no pun intended) great things about the 718 GTS.

[Ilikemike]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

The F80 M3 is ending production this year so it won't ever have to share showroom space with the M2 Competition. This allows the M2 Competition to move up market a bit without crowding the next product up the chain, the M4.

The next generation G80 M3 is at least two years off (and possibly three). It will use a new engine, the S58, which is set to make its debut soon in the X3 M. This is a TT I6 based on the B58 engine and it should have close to 500hp in Competition Package form. We do know the next generation M2 will remain on a RWD chassis and retain I6 power (rather than move to the FWD UKL chassis), but it's not clear yet whether it will also use a version of the S58 or if they'll go back to a single turbo I6 of some yet-to-be-revealed designation.

The other wildcard is AWD which the next generation M3/M4 may have, but the M2 will not.

Good point, do you think Porsche has done the same thing with the Cayman but in reverse, i.e. changed the Cayman not the 911? The 911 got the turbos and kept the 6 cylinders while the Cayman arguably was 'down graded' to a four cylinder engine in order to keep the 911 'special.' Of course this assumes the new m3/4 will have some 'special' changes....

[JibSTir13]

Curious to see what engine the upcoming GT4 gets.

Beefed-up 718, 911 S, or de-tuned GT3?

GT3 motor is doubtful, although it is the only NA of the three.

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by JibSTir13

Curious to see what engine the upcoming GT4 gets.

Beefed-up 718, 911 S, or de-tuned GT3?

GT3 motor is doubtful, although it is the only NA of the three.

It is getting the 4.0L. I’d expect easy $100k+ msrp.

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

The F80 M3 is ending production this year so it won't ever have to share showroom space with the M2 Competition. This allows the M2 Competition to move up market a bit without crowding the next product up the chain, the M4.

The next generation G80 M3 is at least two years off (and possibly three). It will use a new engine, the S58, which is set to make its debut soon in the X3 M. This is a TT I6 based on the B58 engine and it should have close to 500hp in Competition Package form. We do know the next generation M2 will remain on a RWD chassis and retain I6 power (rather than move to the FWD UKL chassis), but it's not clear yet whether it will also use a version of the S58 or if they'll go back to a single turbo I6 of some yet-to-be-revealed designation.

The other wildcard is AWD which the next generation M3/M4 may have, but the M2 will not.

This.
It was timed perfectly.