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As a 1M owner it was a point that I regularly used in many posts elsewhere before to 'defend' the new F8X despite my strong dislike of big cars; I kept on saying that such a noticeably larger car which could swallow the 1M comes with essentially identical weight of the 1M, this is great progress etc....which appears to be not so true; so I ask myself that since I can easily get my car to the level of the power of S55 (which is really no different than a FBO N54 type of power) why would I consider 'upgrading' to a much bigger, and noticeably heavier car with a power that is easily attainable if I wanted or needed to have it? So, this hurts the image of new F8X at least for me and at a very important point, the issue of weight. I can still buy it because it is overall a good package and has more refinement and practicality (F80) than the 1M but now I returned back thinking that I would maybe loose too much by getting rid of the 1M. Just because some people who already put their orders are too keen to keep their enthusiasm up doesn't mean that we should all keep a blind eye on certain new data like this one; this is not a good one! Simple as that. Should anyone cancel their orders or call their lawyers, that probably would be a huge overkill and a bit stupid but there is something here for re-consideration especially for certain people who already have a good or even a great car. We care for contradictions in official statements and what appears to be false advertisement, in my opinion everyone should.
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Or, you are just completely wrong... I'm going with this option. |
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Personally I think the weight is very good but I am upset BMW would quote a lower number (3300lbs), only to have it tip the scales at 150-200lbs more than previously stated. But if we're talking about companies that fudge curb weight figures... Aventador Dry Weight: 3,472 lbs (Source, Lamborghini) Aventador Curb Weight: 4,109 lbs (Source, Motor Trend 2012) |
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04-19-2014, 02:29 PM | #100 |
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The actual weight really is irrelevant. Just the fact that BMW has to use these kinds of marketing tactics, touting some arbitrary 3300lbs weight. The new M3/M4 is going to be a phenomenal car. Flase advertising only leads to let downs and ammunition for haters.
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04-19-2014, 02:37 PM | #102 |
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lol what a bad comparison
don't wanna be anal about it but MT to DCT weight? come on, we know all the numbers i know my E90 6MT doesn't weight over 3600lb... once again, proves another marketing part of BMW, the truth is F80 is not anywhere "lighter" than the e90
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People wait first, then judge .
Bmw made a mistake in this case allowing its marketing department to announce numbers below 1500 kg . If they have made a total mistake with that product , summer is very close and we will all see then. |
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So this pretty much confirms all the red flags that several have pointed/called out many months ago (in some cases years ago). The weight info dribbled out by BMW on the M3/M4 seemed unrealistic, non-comparable apples-to-apples, partially released (curb or DIN weight), provided given different configurations (base weight vs "comparably equipped"). Basically obfuscating the facts as much as one could while providing some veneer of massive weight loss so as to create a nice tagline. Lo and behold, once the facts come out, the actual weight loss is much less than the hype. Disappointing as it is, but at least there is validation to the saying that if things seem to be too good to be true and not really corroborated by evidence and common sense, then they probably are.
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Here is what the sticky says about curb weight.
Summary: USA: 1. Curb weight ( Inconsistent reporting, with or without driver, unknown and inconsistent equipment level ). Summary of definitions: US Curb Weight: Weight of car with fluids and fuel at 100% as well as weight of any option expected to be in more than 33% of vehicles sold. Driver not included in US legal definition, but usually included in manufacturers public figures. Furthermore from a recent interview with a BMW product manger, his explanation of US curb weight: The way the US curb weight is measured includes full fluids in the car, all standard equipment for US market and all options that are expected to be equipped on more than one-thirds of M3/M4 sold. Don't see any mention of luggage, or for that matter that a driver is included in BMW's calculations. Please explain to me how my previous post is wrong? |
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Note that the 3562 lb. example car that is the topic of this thread does not have DCT nor sunroof, and probably lacks other options as well. It seems to me that when configured with the heaviest options, a 3700lb F80 may very well be a possibility.
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Seriously, think the best use of incremental dollars is to enhance what I already have vs looking to buy the new model. For $12k, can get a light bbk and lightweight wheels which save close to ~70 lbs in unsprung weight (with multiplicative effects on weight and feel). The E9x gen are keepers!
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I wish we would've wagered on our estimates.
You have to admit, you gave me a pretty hard time for my estimate of 3,500+ lbs. Someone with an LCI W204 C63 sedan just weighed his car and it came in at 3,860 lbs (1/4 tank of fuel, no driver). The W205 C63 is anticipated to lose at least 220 lbs due to the use of high strength aluminum, the new motor (4.0L biturbo), CCBs, etc. I expect it will weigh in the 3,650-700 lb range (all fluids, 1/4 tank of gas, no driver). Note: I'm not that disappointed with the results because they're what I was expecting the entire time. It's still progress. And the upside is the car will have a bit more power, more torque, etc.
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And like I said, they have never deviated from their normal weihjt estimates on any car until this gen. The e9x m3 fit into their claims as did the 1m. So, I chose to believe them until proven otherwise. Unfortunately, it appears we have been proven otherwise. |
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