The dark side of the Eco Pro

[Neil McRae]

Can we get a balls out gamification solution to be as anti ECO PRO as possible?!

[Sedan_Clan]

Why?

[E36toF30]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Why?

I agree. It's a feature that you don't have to use. There is no logical reason to be against it.

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by Neil McRae

Can we get a balls out gamification solution to be as anti ECO PRO as possible?!

Maybe I'm getting old, but I don't even know what you are trying to say here.

[Neil McRae]

LOL - sorry must be my britishness!

Move along nothing to see here.

[Dawko]

does this M even have an ecopro option?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by GregD

does this M even have an ecopro option?

Yes!

[Dawko]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Yes!

You're kidding right? I always thought comfort was the lesser setting in M versions.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by GregD

You're kidding right? I always thought comfort was the lesser setting in M versions.

How it's packaged under the Efficient Dynamics umbrella remains to be seen. The adjustability range is greater on the ///M's, so the least sensitive throttle setting will probably be ///M's ECO PRO equivalent. With so much attention paid to achieving better MPG's, it wouldn't surprise me if there was an actually ECO PRO mode on the F8X.

[consolidated]

I'm for it, taking long trips whatever keeps me out of fuel stations longer is good.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by consolidated

I'm for it, taking long trips whatever keeps me out of fuel stations longer is good.

Me too! I'm all for performance cars that get good mileage. Hell, if a Corvette can get good gas mileage while still being a performance beast, a friggin' ///M3 should be able to do it.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

How it's packaged under the Efficient Dynamics umbrella remains to be seen. The adjustability range is greater on the ///M's, so the least sensitive throttle setting will probably be ///M's ECO PRO equivalent. With so much attention paid to achieving better MPG's, it wouldn't surprise me if there was an actually ECO PRO mode on the F8X.

The lowest setting for throttle sensitivity for the M5/M6 is simply called "Efficient", so that's probably what it will be called for the F8x as well.

Not sure if it will correspond more to Eco Pro or Comfort mode on a F3x, but I'd guess the latter. I think Eco Pro mode achieves its efficiency largely by lowering the shift points down which won't be effected by the M throttle sensitivity setting. You could, of course, use D1 mode to simulate that too (if you have DCT). But I think Eco Pro also does other clever things ECU-wise to try to conserve fuel which the M probably won't. That's my take anyway.

In some ways you can't really compare the M Driving Dynamics Control to the standard series Driving Dynamics Control because the M let's you tweak throttle/transmission/steering/suspension separately whereas, with a non-M, you don't get individual control over those settings.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

The lowest setting for throttle sensitivity for the M5/M6 is simply called "Efficient", so that's probably what it will be called for the F8x as well.

Not sure if it will correspond more to Eco Pro or Comfort mode on a F3x, but I'd guess the latter. I think Eco Pro mode achieves its efficiency largely by lowering the shift points down which won't be effected by the M throttle sensitivity setting. You could, of course, use D1 mode to simulate that too (if you have DCT). But I think Eco Pro also does other clever things ECU-wise to try to conserve fuel which the M probably won't. That's my take anyway.

In some ways you can't really compare the M Driving Dynamics Control to the standard series Driving Dynamics Control because the M let's you tweak throttle/transmission/steering/suspension separately whereas, with a non-M, you don't get individual control over those settings.

Yes and no. I have a manual 335i, so while it makes suggestions, it won't do it for me obviously (..unlike automatic cars). I usually shift lower than the intended shift points just due to my driving style when I'm being conservative. It does also adjust the A/C, etc. when in ECO PRO, so you are right about other conversation methods (..part and parcel to ASS, which the new ///M will have).

[Needsdecaf]

There's no Eco Pro in the M5 / M6 in that there's no indicator that you are in Eco Pro mode, and it doesn't calculate the +0.5 whatever miles you've "gained" by driving in Eco Pro mode.

I would not expect it to be any different on the M3. Now it does have stop start.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Yes and no. I have a manual 335i, so while it makes suggestions, it won't do it for me obviously (..unlike automatic cars). I usually shift lower than the intended shift points just due to my driving style when I'm being conservative. It does also adjust the A/C, etc. when in ECO PRO, so you are right about other conversation methods (..part and parcel to ASS, which the new ///M will have).

Right, I was referring to the automatic with that part about shift RPM. But as you point out (and thanks for giving a specific example) it adjusts other things to try to conserve fuel. The M3/M4 probably won't do this (assuming the M5/M6 don't, which I believe is true).

I agree the M models do have AS/S but this too will be an individual setting not tied to the DDC. In fact, it's the same for the series car as well right? Unless Eco PRO automatically re-enables AS/S in which case that would be just one more thing that will set that mode apart from anything that the M will have. No corny mileage counter either (thankfully) as Needsdecaf just pointed out.

In the end, I think we can agree that it's not about the terminology or branding, and that certainly the F8x (like the F1x M) will have the ability to go conservative on settings with the goal of being as efficient as possible if that's what the driver desires at a given time.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Right, I was referring to the automatic with that part about shift RPM. But as you point out (and thanks for giving a specific example) it adjusts other things to try to conserve fuel. The M3/M4 probably won't do this (assuming the M5/M6 don't, which I believe is true).

I agree the M models do have AS/S but this too will be an individual setting not tied to the DDC. In fact, it's the same for the series car as well right? Unless Eco PRO automatically re-enables AS/S in which case that would be just one more thing that will set that mode apart from anything that the M will have. No corny mileage counter either (thankfully) as Needsdecaf just pointed out.

In the end, I think we can agree that it's not about the terminology or branding, and that certainly the F8x (like the F1x M) will have the ability to go conservative on settings with the goal of being as efficient as possible if that's what the driver desires at a given time.

Yes, the ECO PRO does, in fact, do this. In addition, your final point is very well articulated. I agree completely!

[Suave]

Maybe its just me but I would want to enjoy every possible mile without wimpy settings. The thought of an eco-pro mode just does not seem right. Ban the mode!

[fuddman]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

F8x (like the F1x M) will have the ability to go conservative on settings with the goal of being as efficient as possible if that's what the driver desires at a given time.

And the driver would be well advised to stay out of the fast lane in that limp mode lest he get run over by a Prius.