05-19-2011, 05:10 PM | #67 | |
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Progress may require traditions to be broken. It wont be the first traditions BMW would be breaking.... A 3.5 bi-turbo V6 may be the future engine. |
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05-19-2011, 05:12 PM | #68 |
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I hope I'm wrong, but I think it is going to be a cut-down version of the S63.
We've been hearing rumors for quite a while now that the next M3 may have a V6 with turbos. Using a cut-down S63 would be consistent with that rumor. It would also be consistent with how the S62 came about -- as a cut-down version of the V10. There also is a good business case for this approach because of the ability to use most of the M-specific components in the motor across a wider variety of models. Finally, as someone has pointed out already, a V6 would have packaging advantages, which would boost handling. The cynic in me thinks if it is not a cut-down S63, then it will be a variant of the N54/55 motor. We've been fortunate to see the golden age of M engineering, but I fear that age will end when the E9X M stops production. |
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I agree that M cars have become overweight, but this is BMW catering to American sized people and a thirst for HP - bigger engines simply weigh more and require more counter balancing. If BMW were to build the M cars that they want to build, the pure die-hard M cars, the general public wouldn't buy them (or be able to afford the lightweight parts), and BMW M wouldn't have the profits to continue its existence. |
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05-19-2011, 05:14 PM | #70 | |
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If the next M3 has V8 and its red line is around 8000 RPM, I will upgrade my e92 to the new F32 model.
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05-19-2011, 05:23 PM | #71 | |
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if the source is true, BMW is exploring a new way to develop M cars - save money on the engine development and focus on the handling and (hopefully) weight savings.
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05-19-2011, 05:32 PM | #72 |
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Imo, tuning potential will be crazy. |
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05-19-2011, 05:58 PM | #74 | |
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M cars are not bigger because Americans are overweight. M cars are getting bigger in size and thus weight more. Plus, they keep adding a lot of luxury features that weight down the car. M cars cost 60-120k. That is a good grip of change. For that money, I am sure they can include more weight saving items if they really wanted to without increase the prices sky high. Besides, they already are saving R & D money by sharing the platform with the regular series. |
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I don't think it is that BMW wants to add useless luxury, they are innovating suspension tuning from in the car and providing the buyer what they want - it is all supply and demand. there is only so much demand BMW can drum up for the bare-bones raw street race car. |
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That would suck to go from 8 cylinder down to 6...can't beat the sound of an 8 cylinder
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And Porsche is adding things like adaptive cruise control and KERS all while reducing the weight and keeping the price from blowing sky high. Plus, the price range is comparable to M5s and M6s. BMW is getting lazy and greedy imho. |
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I agree on the X3M although I am not at all fond of SUVs but because the X3 is already such a good package, to take it that one step further seems to be a natural progression. I think they're going to do it and it's going to be a hit. I'd like to see the M7 too and I don't like big cars. Here again, it'd just be completing the circle.
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S65 bi-turbo would be the best!
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