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      09-21-2014, 12:47 AM   #727
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The pull of the Dark Side is strong.

In all seriousness, you can't go wrong with either car. The new M3 and M4 are both brilliant. I was a big fan of the E9X but the F8X is in another league. It's going to be a tough decision between the F80 and W205.
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Now that is a plan.
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Now that is a plan.
I sat in traffic for an hour next to a C63 owner today, We had a nice shouted conversation through the lanes, and he had a good argument that I will share.

Mercs are more hated than Bimmers. I might actually buy one someday just for that.
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I sat in traffic for an hour next to a C63 owner today, We had a nice shouted conversation through the lanes, and he had a good argument that I will share.

Mercs are more hated than Bimmers. I might actually buy one someday just for that.
Sitting in traffic for more than 10 min is why I bought as close to downtown as I could. On a Saturday no less!

And, yeah, true about the Benz. Audis are for poseurs. BMW's still kind of suggest the driver may know how to drive but, MB still says 'I wanted to spend lots of money and I had nothing better to do' (....and I say this as an MB owner who likes that car very much....). Sigh.
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Will be interesting to see how this car handles and goes for sure. The difference for BMW in this gen though is that a bump in power is easy to achieve if required to compete with the C63.

If the C63 matches or betters the M3 on track then BMW will have to respond decisively as it will surely out perform it in a straight line.

Mercedes also have the advantage of knowing the M3/4 s performance data- I will be surprised if they don't capitalise by ensuring their car is faster.

If it sounds better, handles as well and is faster in a straight line and the gearbox is good the M3/4 will have very little to fight back with. This could be the gen where MB ends the M3s reputation as the benchmark in this class. They came close with the last gen and BMW must surely be concerned awaiting this cars launch.

Let's wait and see- if it's that good would I sell my M3 and get one? ........yes.
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My m4 has a manual! That's all I need to know.
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My m4 has a manual! That's all I need to know.
So does mine... but they forgot to put the third pedal in

If MB ever went this route, it would hard for BMW. I think some ///M customers default to BMW because of the MT and if MB offered this, some might choose the AMG. However, I suppose MB knows its target market and it doesn't include MT buyers for some reason.
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If MB ever went this route, it would hard for BMW. I think some ///M customers default to BMW because of the MT and if MB offered this, some might choose the AMG. However, I suppose MB knows its target market and it doesn't include MT buyers for some reason.
I 100% would have been one of those buyers for the last gen c63 with a manual. Only reason I bought an e90 over it was the lack of manual, although I rally liked my m3.

This gen, I don't like the exterior or interior styling of the merc and love all the tech and lw materials in the m3, so even if the c63 had a manual I would be an m3 buyer.

I love the new boosted motor, and hope it's a 4 door 1m on steroids

That said, the betrer the amg and RS cars are, the better the segment is
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That said, the betrer the amg and RS cars are, the better the segment is
Agreed.

I'm not loyal to a brand... I'm loyal to awesome, fun, trackable cars. The better the segment, the more fun for all!!!
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I 100% would have been one of those buyers for the last gen c63 with a manual. Only reason I bought an e90 over it was the lack of manual, although I rally liked my m3.

This gen, I don't like the exterior or interior styling of the merc and love all the tech and lw materials in the m3, so even if the c63 had a manual I would be an m3 buyer.

I love the new boosted motor, and hope it's a 4 door 1m on steroids

That said, the betrer the amg and RS cars are, the better the segment is
I'm waiting to see what the AMG version will look like but so far I'm not a fan of exterior styling. Interior is nice but I don't know how spacious it is (vs. M3?). Even if new C63 AMG out-performs M3, it'll have to have some radical body styling for me switch sides.
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I predict that the all around performance numbers for the W205 will be better than the current M3/4, due to AMG being able to see what the competition has. I also suspect that pricing is going to be significantly more than the M cars.
I'm not a fan of the current design direction of MB. Even the renders make the C63 look large and soft. I still prefer the previous W204 design. If only they can merge the new interior with the old exterior, then we'll have a winner.
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Not trying to be a pest here. Just got back from the track (drag racing). The MCT in S+ is incredible. I got 12.18 with my stock 255-conti, and it was cold. I trapped at 117. The manual Corvette (2011) - in the left lane- was suffering big time when shifting.
Great numbers... some day I might get out with you when life isn't insanely busy. I have never been to the drag strip before but I bet it would be fun.
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My m4 has a manual! That's all I need to know.
This sadly is my biggest issue too. I went to see the S3 today, but I could not pull the trigger. God I hated that car, and no manual made it worse. Why on earth did I end up marrying a guy who sends me to handle this shit is beyond me.
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This sadly is my biggest issue too. I went to see the S3 today, but I could not pull the trigger. God I hated that car, and no manual made it worse. Why on earth did I end up marrying a guy who sends me to handle this shit is beyond me.
I have some recommendations regarding replacing the Audi SUV . . .
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I 100% would have been one of those buyers for the last gen c63 with a manual. Only reason I bought an e90 over it was the lack of manual, although I rally liked my m3.

This gen, I don't like the exterior or interior styling of the merc and love all the tech and lw materials in the m3, so even if the c63 had a manual I would be an m3 buyer.

I love the new boosted motor, and hope it's a 4 door 1m on steroids

That said, the betrer the amg and RS cars are, the better the segment is
Co-signed.

Huge fan of the c63, didn't get one this previous gen solely due to the no manual option. Maybe one day MB will throw one in there?
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Great numbers... some day I might get out with you when life isn't insanely busy. I have never been to the drag strip before but I bet it would be fun.
Sorry for deleting the post. We had flood and the internet was very slow-did not know my post went through. It was a lot of fun today, hope you can join in next time.
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I have some recommendations regarding replacing the Audi SUV . . .
You guys need to get it in your heads family does not mean a gigantic car, you can just take two!

Then it could be mummy vs daddy: Who can make the passengers throw up faster!
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I'm not loyal to a brand... I'm loyal to awesome, fun, trackable cars. The better the segment, the more fun for all!!!
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