CONFIRMED FALSE: F80 M3 production ends May 2018

[SD ///M4]

Originally Posted by Nikolas

Re read it. It states M3 end of May in that article.

You're correct, I apparently overlooked that. I mistakenly did a text search for M4 instead of M3.

However, BMWBLOG is not a definitive source, they are only reporting the same rumors as everyone else. They have yet to name a source at BMW confirming this rumor.

I think a high-volume, high ///M dealer (BMW of Camarillo) would be a better source of info as to whether May 2018 is EOP for the M3 or not.

[Nikolas]

Originally Posted by SD ///M4

You're correct, I apparently overlooked that. I mistakenly did a text search for M4 instead of M3.

However, BMWBLOG is not a definitive source, they are only reporting the same rumors as everyone else. They have yet to name a source at BMW confirming this rumor.

I think a high-volume, high ///M dealer (BMW of Camarillo) would be a better source of info as to whether May 2018 is EOP for the M3 or not.

I know, but they were the ones to first make the statement which was refuted. It's strange to see them mention it again. The reasoning makes sense. Why would they go through a retrofit for 5 months of production? Who knows. We'll find out as soon as somebody posts a June production date. I have a May production date.

[seis-speed]

Originally Posted by SD ///M4

The link you posted is an article about the M2. There is no mention of the M4 in this article at all, let along any mention that EOP will be in May.

There have been two "definitive" posts in this thread weeks ago by David Aviles (BMW Dave) and GOLFERRR, both connected to the same BMW dealer, that have debunked this idea. The title of this thread includes the words "UNCONFIRMED". Yet people still keep posting about this, and the thread pops up to the top, thus perpetuating the rumors. This is about as definitive as it gets, since someone from BMW NA is not going to come on here and post a confirmation of EOP.

It is kind of buried in there, but seems multiple sources are saying it might happen due to emissions? I was hoping that would not affect NA.

I was on the fence to keep my lease-end F80 (value might be decent if there are no M sedans until 2020) or do another ED in Fall.

In searching found this dated Jan 31. IDK if there is any validity to this source.

https://carbuzz.com/news/bmw-will-en...m3-in-may-2018

[HPIA4v2]

Unless it's BMW bulletin, we all better trust post #92 on this thread:

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...7&postcount=92

[CachacoF80]

Originally Posted by Nikolas

I know, but they were the ones to first make the statement which was refuted. It's strange to see them mention it again. The reasoning makes sense. Why would they go through a retrofit for 5 months of production? Who knows. We'll find out as soon as somebody posts a June production date. I have a May production date.

I'm picking up my car in Munich on July 2nd, will report production date once it's available.

[FC]

Originally Posted by CachacoF80

I'm picking up my car in Munich on July 2nd, will report production date once it's available.

Ha! I'm hoping I'll get the exact same date.

[CanAutM3]

The M3CS starts production in May.

[FC]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

The M3CS starts production in May.

If that is true, then there is no way M3 production ends in May.

Also, to the extent no one has taken delivery of a car with the steel driveshaft, that may be the point when they switch over, if at all.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by FC

If that is true, then there is no way M3 production ends in May.

Right, but its still possible that the M3 CS is the only model available in some regions for the last few months of F80 production (May through October).

It's also still possible that there will be no M3 at all from May through October, CS or otherwise, in some regions. Clearly that would not apply to the US, but what of the standard M3? I think it makes more sense that it will continue to October in the US and other non-European regions, but we'll have to wait a little longer to know for sure.

[FC]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Right, but its still possible that the M3 CS is the only model available in some regions for the last few months of F80 production (May through October).

True. But that would imply some serious CS demand, which I frankly doubt.

Originally Posted by mkoesel

It's also still possible that there will be no M3 at all from May through October, CS or otherwise, in some regions. Clearly that would not apply to the US, but what of the standard M3? I think it makes more sense that it will continue to October in the US and other non-European regions, but we'll have to wait a little longer to know for sure.

I said pretty much the exact thing on another thread, so I agree.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by FC

True. But that would imply some serious CS demand, which I frankly doubt.

CS production is limited so BMW has already set out to come in below demand.

A move to a CS-only final few months, if it were to occur, could be presumed to be a calculated move to increase profit via higher transaction prices.

That said, the 1200 units they plan to build over the six months is 200/month. It might not be too far off typical M3 sell rate. Tough to know since we have no data on M3/M4 split. We do know M4 allocations are much higher than M3 for what that’s worth.

I said pretty much the exact thing on another thread, so I agree.

Plus it’s been a possibility discussed since from the beginning of this thread (due not least to EU regulatory forces be attributed to the motivation behind the alleged early EOP by some sources).

[dongerkim]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

CS production is limited so BMW has already set out to come in below demand.

A move to a CS-only final few months, if it were to occur, could be presumed to be a calculated move to increase profit via higher transaction prices.

That said, the 1200 units they plan to build over the six months is 200/month. It might not be too far off typical M3 sell rate. Tough to know since we have no data on M3/M4 split. We do know M4 allocations are much higher than M3 for what that’s worth.



Plus it’s been a possibility discussed since from the beginning of this thread (due not least to EU regulatory forces be attributed to the motivation behind the alleged early EOP by some sources).

I thought the ratio between M4:M3 was publicaly posted? I could be wrong but i think it’s in the realm of 7:1 M4:M3

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by dongerkim

I thought the ratio between M4:M3 was publicaly posted? I could be wrong but i think it’s in the realm of 7:1 M4:M3

Could be. I’ve never seen that stat mentioned myself. Is that from BMW?

[HPIA4v2]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Could be. I’ve never seen that stat mentioned myself. Is that from BMW?

Can't say for sure but since 2016 and 2017 monitoring dealers inventory they are usually 2x as many M4 than M3 on dealers website (everything from available, in transit or sold)

[Super Spartan]

Originally Posted by HPIA4v2

Can't say for sure but since 2016 and 2017 monitoring dealers inventory they are usually 2x as many M4 than M3 on dealers website (everything from available, in transit or sold)

Yet on these forums all I see is M3s and the M4s are a minority

[jmg]

Originally Posted by BMWDavid

October 2018 production is the last month for the F80. Thank you. End of thread.

Is this official? What's the source on this?

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by jmg

Is this official? What's the source on this?

It's 100% certain that all F30/F80 production ends by November of this year since BMW will switch over to the G20 at that time.

The only question at this point is whether the F80 will actually end sometime before then. All we have are rumors of a May end date. There has been no official confirmation on that.

If you read this thread:

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1483945

we now have confirmed orders for week 23 production. That's in June. However, because the build process would actually start in May for a week 23 build (according to one forum member, that is, I haven't double checked that), for the sake of argument let's call it a gray area for now. In that case, we are at the threshold of being able to call BS on the May end date. We just need confirmed builds for week 24 or heck, let's call it week 25 to be safe, and we can lock this thread up tight.

Would that guarantee the M3 will be produced until October? Nope. But unless we receive credible info for an earlier date, we would go back to assuming October is it.

[doug_999]

and to clarify, the BMW DCS system has no production slots showing for anything past May..

as soon as something shows up for June, then we can call BS...

My money is that it is over and done with....

[SD ///M4]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

If you read this thread:

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1483945

we now have confirmed orders for week 23 production. That's in June. However, because the build process would actually start in May for a week 23 build (according to one forum member, that is, I haven't double checked that), for the sake of argument let's call it a gray area for now.

I'm not mentioned in that thread, but I've posted elsewhere that I have a confirmed week 23 production date for my wife's Individual San Marino Blue M3 Competition Pack. That's the production week starting June 3 for a confirmed July 18 delivery date. In my experience with two previous Euro Deliveries, that's the week that the car goes into production and the VIN is assigned. It could get pushed earlier, as my 2016 M3 went into earlier than the confirmed production week and was completed five weeks prior to my delivery date.

BTW, the order was initially placed with my dealer in November for a May Euro Delivery date. My local, lower-volume dealer didn't get an allocation until February. Because of the Individual Polar Blue contrasting stitching, the earliest they could deliver the car was June 26 because BMW "batches" the Individual interiors and the next batch wasn't scheduled until early June. We chose July 18 so that we could attend the F1 German Grand Prix the following weekend.

[mkoesel]

Newer thread here:

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...3#post23064213