I weighed my 2015 M4 and 2017 M4 ZCP at the same time

[Rocklobster]

OP updated to say that both cars have iron rotors.

[m34m]

Originally Posted by chris719

It is indeed special in its ability to throw rods through the block due to bearing failure.

No

[Foxyy]

Not sure if somebody mentioned already, but the titanium oil pan in the MY2015 might be a little lighter than the steel pan in the MY2017

[Jaymax85]

Originally Posted by m34m

E92 M3 had a special motor and was a balanced package. This F80 has been a disaster since inception. Can't fit a square peg in a round hole. Look forward to the next edition it's all you can do.

Lollllllll what a fool

Take it from a former e90 m owner.. get off the crack pipe brother

[chris719]

Originally Posted by m34m

No

My last OT post on this. Maybe you should check the Engine subforum for the E9x M3. I read it very carefully for months as I nearly purchased one. S65 and S85 have a design flaw and they eat rod bearings, period, end of story. Some are not as bad as others, it might not happen to you when you own it, but it is clearly an issue.

[SherM4n]

Coming from a 3900ish lb B7 RS 4, I'm quite happy with the 3600 lb figure.

[The Choosey begger]

Here's an interesting read

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=479110

[knightarmor]

A stop at the truck scales yesterday showed my 17' M3 ZCP w/19's and 1/3 worth of fuel at 3620lbs.

[Rocklobster]

Originally Posted by JoeFromPA

I'm having a hard time figuring this out. I weighed my f80 m3 when new. It's only option is adaptive suspension, so no DCT, lighting package, exec package, or splitters/spoiler as you have. The DCT I believe weighs 88 pounds more, while the m4 weighs 50 pounds less (than the m3). So I would expect you'd be ~38 pounds heavier than me.

Instead your car as weighed came in 162 pounds heavier than mine and we both had the same fuel load (about 2 gallons in tank).

Very unclear why your m4 would weigh so much more than mine, unless the DCT weight difference is alot more than advertised.

The tank was 2 gal FROM FULL. Meaning nearly full.

Originally Posted by knightarmor

A stop at the truck scales yesterday showed my 17' M3 ZCP w/19's and 1/3 worth of fuel at 3620lbs.

That's pretty consistent with what I found then.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by Draper

Compared to the featherlight E90.

yes yes, I know

However, my fully stock E92 M3 ZCP with a **full** tank of gas is 3600 flat. So it's pretty funny to see the F8X which was supposed to weigh as much as a E46M now weigh even more than the E92.
My fully stock, sunroof E46M with a **full** tank of gas weighed 3500 flat on the same scale.

I underlined the full tank of gas part because the phrase 'two gallons of gas in the tank' and its derivatives have almost been used as often as personal best track records that were made with 'heat cycled tires'. Yeah, right, whatever.

Dudes, fill up your friggin gas tanks all the way before weighing your cars. '1/3 of a tank' is so horribly unscientific you can't even start an argument with that.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

yes yes, I know

However, my fully stock E92 M3 ZCP with a **full** tank of gas is 3600 flat. So it's pretty funny to see the F8X which was supposed to weigh as much as a E46M now weigh even more than the E92.
My fully stock, sunroof E46M with a **full** tank of gas weighed 3500 flat on the same scale.

I underlined the full tank of gas part because the phrase 'two gallons of gas in the tank' and its derivatives have almost been used as often as personal best track records that were made with 'heat cycled tires'. Yeah, right, whatever.

Dudes, fill up your friggin gas tanks all the way before weighing your cars. '1/3 of a tank' is so horribly unscientific you can't even start an argument with that.

My DCT F82 is ~130lb lighter than my DCT E92 was. And my 6MT E46 was ~130lb lighter than my DCT E92 was. Meaning that my DCT F82 is practically the same weight my 6MT E46 was. All weighed on the same corner balancing scales and with full tanks of fuel.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

My DCT F82 is ~130lb lighter than my DCT E92 was. And my 6MT E46 was ~130lb lighter than my DCT E92 was. Meaning that my DCT F82 is practically the same weight my 6MT E46 was. All weighed on the same corner balancing scales and with full tanks of fuel.

I have trouble with that math. Not challenging the veracity of what you're saying.

Assuming your E46 weighed 3500# full, which it should as my E46 was the 'heavy' spec and weighed that, it puts your E92 at 3630 or so.

So your F80 is 3500#? If so it's by far the lightest I've seen.

I've followed the weights closely as I fully intended to get one of these. The lightest I have ever seen quoted for a 6MT car with zero options and full is 3530#. Dct would leave you at 3560?

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

I have trouble with that math. Not challenging the veracity of what you're saying.

Assuming your E46 weighed 3500# full, which it should as my E46 was the 'heavy' spec and weighed that, it puts your E92 at 3630 or so.

So your F80 is 3500#? If so it's by far the lightest I've seen.

I've followed the weights closely as I fully intended to get one of these. The lightest I have ever seen quoted for a 6MT car with zero options and full is 3530#. Dct would leave you at 3560?

My 2001 6MT E46: 3551lb
My 2008 DCT E92: 3688lb
My 2015 DCT F82: 3558lb

The tanks were at least 90% full on all of them at time of weighing (~10lb possible error due to fuel load). The E92 and F82 were weighed wearing their track wheels, which are probably a few pounds lighter than the OE ones.

Other examples of F8X weighing below 3600lb:

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1077612
http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1032062
http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=974479
http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1023335

Note that my F82 does not have what is known in the US as the Executive package (no cameras, no park distance control, no rear sunshade, no HUD, no drivers assistance gizmos, no full leather, no headlight washer) and is rather limited on weight adding options but does have EDC and the rather heavy HK sound system.

[badbimmer]

Originally Posted by Draper

I've had both, and I much prefer the F80.

It sounds like you've been reading too many blogs. The competition may have caught up in recent years, but that doesn't mean the F80 isn't an exceptional piece of engineering.

I've had both, and I much prefer the E92.

It's true that the f8x gen is an exceptional piece of engineering, but the S65 on the e9x is a much better, high revving engine, both the induction and exhaust sound is incredible. I am not disputing some of the s65 engines had rod bearing problems. Some did... mine did not. I drove it until 95k with no issues and then traded it in for a 2017 F80 ZCP.

Sounds like you are reading too many blogs. The S55 turbo'd six cylinder engine with "active sound" is in no way, shape or form in the same class as the S65. BMW was forced to put this type of engine into the F8x generation, to meet emission and efficiency standards. No other reason. And the sound in my opinion of the s55 engines is a big failure.

There is no replacement for displacement.

[S65V8]

sometimes I think we're all talking to ourselves when we claim the M4 lighter weight is significant compared to a E92 M3. Ultimately, we're only talking about around 100 pounds.

+100 on engines between S65 vs. S55. S65 was a masterpiece.

[Draper]

Originally Posted by badbimmer

I've had both, and I much prefer the E92.

It's true that the f8x gen is an exceptional piece of engineering, but the S65 on the e9x is a much better, high revving engine, both the induction and exhaust sound is incredible. I am not disputing some of the s65 engines had rod bearing problems. Some did... mine did not. I drove it until 95k with no issues and then traded it in for a 2017 F80 ZCP.

Sounds like you are reading too many blogs. The S55 turbo'd six cylinder engine with "active sound" is in no way, shape or form in the same class as the S65. BMW was forced to put this type of engine into the F8x generation, to meet emission and efficiency standards. No other reason. And the sound in my opinion of the s55 engines is a big failure.

There is no replacement for displacement.

No disagreement there - the E90 sounds much better than the F80. Period.

For me personally, living at altitude (6k with regular trips to 11k), I found the E90 heavy and underpowered. The F80 is light years better.

I'll take FI over displacement any day of the week.

[JoeFromPA]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

So your F80 is 3500#? If so it's by far the lightest I've seen.

That's about what my f80 m3 weighs with a full tank of gas. I registered 3,450 with a low fuel load. I realize your above critique about fuel load (correct in my mind). I was personally attempting to see how BMW could have possibly ever advertised a sub 3400 pound weight on the f8x platform, and my guess is a f82 stripper with no fuel weighs in under 3400 pounds.

Putting aside all commentary about weights, for the size and utility and comfort and performance, the f8x platform does an amazing job with weight. This is a very lightweight 4-door platform.

I know i'm biased, but this is why I've always said the 4-door is the obvious way to go (including it's less expensive and performs the same as the coupe)

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by JoeFromPA

That's about what my f80 m3 weighs with a full tank of gas. I registered 3,450 with a low fuel load. I realize your above critique about fuel load (correct in my mind). I was personally attempting to see how BMW could have possibly ever advertised a sub 3400 pound weight on the f8x platform, and my guess is a f82 stripper with no fuel weighs in under 3400 pounds.

Putting aside all commentary about weights, for the size and utility and comfort and performance, the f8x platform does an amazing job with weight. This is a very lightweight 4-door platform.

I know i'm biased, but this is why I've always said the 4-door is the obvious way to go (including it's less expensive and performs the same as the coupe)

I'm with you. I was getting an F80 for sure and only got an E92 because in 2013 I could no longer get the 4 door E90

I don't have a problem with the weight of the E92 or the F8X platform. They do some seem like 'porkers' to me and perform very well. They are also lighter than their counterparts, which is what really matters in the end.

[Rocklobster]

Since it's my thread being jacked i'll throw in my 2-cents.

My personal opinion is biased against V8s, i've never liked the way V8s sound with the exception of a few flat plane crank ferraris they all sound very discordant to me. The Murica stuff is worse but they all sound "lumpy" and out of tune to my ears.

The only engines that sound good to me are inline 6s, flat sixes, wankel rotaries, and V12s. Everything else sounds terrible in my ears.

That being said i did not like my '15s stock exhaust, it was too "tinny". But, my 17 zcp with the MPE sounds absolutely fantastic. I cant get enough of it, especially in tunnels.

[Rocklobster]

Originally Posted by SROC5

sometimes I think we're all talking to ourselves when we claim the M4 lighter weight is significant compared to a E92 M3. Ultimately, we're only talking about around 100 pounds.

+100 on engines between S65 vs. S55. S65 was a masterpiece.

Maybe i'm just weird but these days i can feel 100lbs as if it was 100hp. My M4s both felt/feel significantly faster when the tank is near empty vs full.

[manuelf]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

My 2001 6MT E46: 3551lb
My 2008 DCT E92: 3688lb
My 2015 DCT F82: 3558lb

Then your E92 was really heavy ... or did it come with moonroof?
German sport auto had weighed E92 M3 ZCP with DCT several times ... they all were in the range 1630 - 1640kg (3590 - 3612 lbs)
Measurement was with full tank and cars were with leather and high audio options...

Comparably the F8x weight was about 20-30kgs lighter than E92, but each time with the CCB.
Without CCB F8x and E9x M seem quite similar...

[Carl L]

Originally Posted by Rocklobster

The only engines that sound good to me are inline 6s, flat sixes, wankel rotaries, and V12s. Everything else sounds terrible in my ears.

Okay, I know you forgot about the V10 in the Carrera GT. Arguably the best sounding production car of all time. The LFA and M5 weren't bad V10s either...