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04-17-2014, 02:25 PM | #67 |
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Thanks Jason.
Does anyone know if rev-matching on downshift can be disabled on the manual transmission ? If so there must be different tranny maps for the manual, perhaps like the "Sport" button on my E39/E86... Like some others, this interview has made me reconsider the adaptive suspension and strengthened my resolve (for the moment anyway) to wait a bit before ordering.
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We have confirmation of a greater than 20% improvement in fuel economy (efficiency), a drop in weight, and an increase in horsepower. We also have a turbocharged engine that will not only have greater peak horsepower, but will generate more horsepower earlier in the RPM range.
We can absolutely say that the new M3/4 is more efficient and faster than the outgoing M3.
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I don't quite understand the adaptive suspension part of the Q&A, and why people think they no longer need it anymore.
Can someone kindly explain why? Much appreciated, dL |
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How dare they! Obviously I am trolling, these not real m comments are becoming absurd.
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Take a look at the PDF file from this thread. You will find that the unladen curb weight for the E90 M "published" by BMW is 1605kg (3538 lbs). But IDK, maybe that's not "published" enough for you. I agree that real world numbers are needed (and we are all waiting here), but "published" vs "published" where the hell are the weight losses
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I personally am happy about the fact that they don't want to make an M4GC, in my opinion takes away the point of an M3. If they did make one, might as well make an M3 Coupe
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So what is your prediction for the weight of a "stripper" car with 6MT now?
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Exactly my thoughts!! Skipping the adaptive suspension option for sure...
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I can answer from my prosepctive. I was adding the adaptive M suspension bc I wanted to drive in the most sporty setting. I was worried the passive system would be too soft, but since he said the passive system would be between sport and sport+ I will be dropping the adaptive suspension. I never drive in comfort mode ever...
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And it looks like the sedan lost about 50 pounds as compared to the official numbers of a manual e90 from 2007. Not awful considering the additional size, content and safety stuff. The car is gonna boogey! Plus with gear ratios closer to the new M5 and the more efficient engine, the car should use a good deal less fuel, and spin less rpm on the highway with the cruise set at 75. I still don't know why BMW refuses to put a taller 6th gear in their cars, a la GM and substantially increase mpg on the highway, as well as lower the engine sound in the cabin as a result of lower rpm (less motor wear as well). I want one
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But while hatchbacks do trade away some structural strength efficiency for practicality, as a rational for why it isn't a good M candidate I don't see this as anything more than an expedient explanation for a marketing decision. Not when the M4 convertible exists, which is distinctly heavier and more flexible, as well as the myriad M-versions of the X vehicles (heavier, higher CG, and I doubt those taller boxers are stiffer). Those are better candidates for motorsports vehicles? I think not. But they sell. Which is quite sufficient rationale for a business decision to have them exist and not the M4GC. But no M3 Touring or M4GC is a disappointment for enthusiasts who want the highest performance practical vehicle they can get. Obviously a marginal group. |
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I don't trust those US curb weights. The m3 is more likely 50lb heavier than the m4 as per the DIN weights published by BMW. Still not enough of a deterrent IMO for someone who prefers the sedan
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Remember that US curb weights usually includes the driver (bold part highlighting the problem with US curb weight inconsitencies). Another "problem" with US curb weights are the 33% option rule. Who would know which optionas are included and the weight of those options? Very confusing... A "stripper" M4 weighs 1500kg without the driver. Add the 33% options, full tank (instead of just 90% as in EU) and the driver and you end up with the US curb weight. This is something we have been aware of for a long time. The 1500kg curb weight is 90% fuel and fluids, but NO driver, NO DCT and NO options. |
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Saw loads of Porsches in brown on my recent trip to the Nürburgring and Spa Francorchamps. Models such as 911 GT3, 911 Turbo and Cayman. And a beautiful brown E92 M3. This is a rather nice F10 M5: http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=961457 Or E92 M3: M6 GC |
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