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09-25-2013, 03:34 PM | #67 |
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Much appreciated, Jason. You are a massive part of why this forum's so good. Inconsequential additional question: will the tach needles be traditional red as the all white looks jarring on the test car?
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09-25-2013, 03:39 PM | #68 | |
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I don't know what color the needles will be, but will try to find out. I agree that red looks better though.
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09-25-2013, 03:53 PM | #69 |
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09-25-2013, 03:57 PM | #70 |
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Hopefully the sound enhancement is mechanical.... don't see why they couldn't program those exhaust flaps to "add loudness" that would be perfectly acceptable to me... even a sound tube for added intake resonance... anything but fake sound through the speakers...
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09-25-2013, 04:01 PM | #71 |
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lol man this guy been posting so many negative comments on f80. just stop it alreadt lol, i almost start to feel sorry for you.
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09-25-2013, 04:06 PM | #72 | |
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-the F80 IS a better performance car - looks better - overall going to be better to drive for daily drving -better MPG -probably going to be a fun car to mod what i do not like about it? -engine noise is average - some interior components - not as high revving. I like the m4 i think its going to be a great car, i will also go test drive one. but there are things i like better on the E92. i would say what i said above is fair. |
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09-25-2013, 05:32 PM | #73 | |
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So, there is SIGNIFICANT audio enhancement here. This is the reality of a turbo system. The induction note is absent.
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09-25-2013, 05:53 PM | #74 | |
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have you driven any cars with electronic steering? perhaps you are not aware that this technology has been evolvingand that there have been software updates for current models. the technolgy hasnt been dumbed down for lower models.. but has been refined to the point where it is now acceptable to BMW M. I have driven the X3, a loaner F30, and recently got a loaner 2013 X1 from my dealer. in each car, the system has shown improvement. The X3 was very light and artificial. The F30 is better... but can feel light at certain speeds. However.. this past weekend I got the X1 loaner and I am VERY impressed with the steering the X1. So much so that I drove the loaner across town to show it to a friend who owns an X3. He and I drove around for 30 minutes on his favorite test loop near his home and he was also impressed with the X1 and said it is FAR better than his X3. The X1 actually almost feels a touch too heavy at times. one thing is for sure. BMW M engineers aren't going to bring technology to market if it's not up to their own exacting standards. Case in point was the 1M... After all the limp mode issues in the 1 series and 3 series... BMW went back and redesigned the cooling in the 1 series and completely banished any idea of limp mode in the 1M. I have driven my 1M in high altitude, low altitude, low humidity, high humidity, high heat, autocross, track with 104 degree ambient in TX and never a thought of limp mode. indeed, Electronic Power Steering is evolving.. and it appears to be ready for prime time.. As you mentioned... indeed it apparently was not ready for the 5/6... but will be available with likely all future models as part of BMWs efficient dynamics. ( Electric power steering allows for the use of stop/start technology for the engine..) |
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09-25-2013, 07:09 PM | #76 |
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Don't forget the engine will sound better with the upgraded stereo versus the base.
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09-25-2013, 07:27 PM | #77 | ||
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Dead wrong. Read the press release and review. BMW M decided that the standard EPS module wasn't up to snuff and started completely fresh. Not to mention the fact that despite the clear upgrades from the early EPS modules, like my 2011 535, even the current modules aren't completely up to snuff. It's still numb, although not nearly as numb, light and remote as, say, an Audi A6. Even the standard 911's EPS leaves something to be desired. The GT3 shades it severely. EPS can be made good, but it's not necessarily as rosy a picture that you paint. |
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Many excellent helms are very light but buzzing with feedback. BMW has been trending in the opposite direction. |
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Exhaust Question
I an E93 M3 with the OEM Exhaust Mod (non-perf), which honestly sounds fantastic. I honestly hated how quiet the stock car was, especially compared to my old E46.
Here's my question: I was hoping there might be a "2 mode" exhaust that would sound louder in "Sport" mode. I'm was thinking this might be the case after hearing one of the test car videos of an M4 somewhat recently (on PCH in LA). Given that I'm not much into mechanics, can someone explain whether the "open vs closed" flaps that are mentioned in the press release refer to 2 modes (ie. Sport and Non-Sport) or simply refer to open/closed states that are automatically controlled by the car depending on how much your foot is on the gas. I'm afraid it might be the latter but I couldn't understand what they meant about the open and closed modes. I am VERY excited about the M4, specifically convertible, especially given the weight reduction, as my E93 is a porker, especially compared to my old E46 soft top. Looking forward to trying it. I have fallen in love with my E93 M3 thanks to the OEM Exhaust Mod and appreciation of the NA V8 but I'm looking forward to trying the I-6 with that extra torque. And a big thanks to Jason and everyone for their information/perspective! Jeremy |
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09-26-2013, 12:09 AM | #88 | |
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The xdrive s28 has electric steering. And having driven it, rather than written about it on a webpage....... sorry... not painting a rosy picture. I drove the damn thing across town to two different car guy friends to have them try it... because obviously, had i just told them it was actually quiet satisfying to drive.. they would have tried to shoot me down like you! The fact that BMW M scrapped one system and redesigned another, is EXACTLY my point, that the technology is evolving. |
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