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Although it is ambiguous, I believe he is saying that the M3 will be in Tokyo while the M4 is still on for Detroit. Any of this is of course still subject to change. |
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I understand where you are coming from.
However, I think that Nitschke was actually quite vague about the specific use of CF in the body shell itself. That has led to a fair bit of variation in speculation over the past couple weeks about the role it will play in the F8x. I also wanted to emphasize some possible challenges specific to the M3/M4 that the i3 may not have had to face. Quote:
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Never mind, I think we both read it correct the first time. Scott needed a comma after the word "December" (December, with the M4, X4, and another premiere...) Okay, I'm spending too much time on this topic! Quote:
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08-06-2013, 05:36 PM | #115 | |
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I definitely want you to place your money where your mouth is on that speculation. The NA curb weight for the M4 with no expensive weight saving optional equipment (such as CSiC brakes or CF seats if even available in NA) absolutely won't be 33XX. How about a friendly wager? I think mkoesel also has a similar wager going with another member. They agreed to pay the winnings to a charity.
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Unlike yourself I think the CF seats will be an important part of the weight savings as discussed earlier so they are absolutely part of my 33XX guess. With optimally configured I meant optimally for lowest weight. The i3 is 2700 lbs but it's extremely different so volume alone will only tell some of the story. To me it's the fact that it contains a lot of CFRP and will be offered at ~40k that is the most interresting in relation to an F8X not the resulting weight since it's truly an apples to oranges comparo. |
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With various options like transmission (probably not an option any longer in the M4) and for some cars the engine, a brochure or OEMs website will typically need to contain multiple curb weight figures. "The" weight of this new car will almost for sure be with an M-DCT and without CF seats since they most likely will not be available as an NA OEM option. We already know the CSiC brakes will be an option and a really pricey one. I believe the weight savings for the M6 CSiC brakes is right about 43 lb and the cost a whopping $9250. Would you also include those in your 33xx figure? BMW absolutely does not count this in their single curb weight figure for the M5/M6. Seats or not, I'd still have 2 beers on you up in your neck of the woods if the second digit of the weight is greater than 3. Unfortunately, I don't travel to Seattle much any more. Cheers.
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Sounds good swamp, I enjoy good debates especially when they are on topic and friendly. Let's wait and see what curb weight they will announce with the launch in December. I'm not going to guess if it's with or without the lightweight seats and CCBs etc. But I would not be surprised if they announce the lowest weight in some context since they have expressed it to be a main goal and I'm sure they want to look like they've done well but we'll see.
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As I posted before ... common sence in german BMW forums and the newest car magazin articles is an EU-weight from below 1.500kg / 3.306lbs for an standard configurated (german!) car ... this meens more standard equipment than the E9xM3 incl. M-DCT but without extras like the the CCBs and the CRT-seats.
Also Dr.Nitschke says in his last Interview that the F8xs would be lighter than the F3x .35is. Greets Uli_HH |
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BMW is saving A LOT of money choosing to develop the N55 to the S55. By not having to allocate funds for R&D for a completely separate motor (like they did for the S65) they can transfer those saving towards lightweight tech and thus there may be a good chance to see a significant reduction in weight over the F3x platform... I would hope.
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S55 meens only hat the engine was the fifth 6-cylinder of the M-GmbH and not on which engine it would be based !!! |
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That frozen white looks amazing. Any idea what the base price would be for an M3? I'm hoping low 60's but I may be way off base. I think the m4 will be 70k. Makes it so hard to go that route when the new cayman s is 70k with a few options.
But man does that F80 look hot!
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