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We al make different selections. People think I lost it, but when BMW finaly told me I would get the M4 GTS, well I then told the Maclaren dealer who spend time with my testning the 570s I go For the M4 GTS. I was very close to buy on Maclaren, then BMW call, It was a fast and easy decision for me to buy GTS.
Thing is many cars on this test is very nice, but not for me. Minimum they must be developed on the Nurburgring, they must have cage from factory and they must deliver some kind of return of dollars when I finaly sell. I dont buy cars that drop hard used, thats not cheep in the end, even first layout of dollars was less. I dont see a camaro as cheep, it will cost me dollars when I sell. GTS is cheep, and It will return my dollar in +. That way I cant see how camaro is cheep? As well they must be fun, fast and special. AWD is out! Its not all importent on ultimat laptime in One lap, at One track, with One press car tester. Car should keep fresh and rock solid even after One year of trackwork. My GT4 is not the fastest car on the planet, still its rock solid For track work, developed on Nurburgring in 24 months time. I track it alot, no issue at al, car hardly wear out brake pads, thats how overbraked it is. Also its with cage. GTS will hold up For track work as well, its developed on Nurburgring, I track alot. I cant buy whatever car only due to it post a fast laptime overthere with some car mag tester and car is cheep dollars. Its more to it that that. What many dont know is that 2 weeks consistent maximum fast lappning on the Nurburgring simulate a cars liftime (a cars lifetime wear on normal street driving) in regards to wear rate to diffrent parts. 2 weeks different development drivers keep that car on the loop For 2 week, full pace. This track is hard on a car, weaknes show fast. Its my minimum demand when buy car. I go there on a regular base, I need a car thats is proven and tested. I need a cage. And I want these things to be stock from factory. We are all looking For different things. 991 GT3 RS solid, but to common where I drive. I wanted something special. And For sure, the GTS deliver, its so fun to drive. I wish more people could experience it. Last edited by Captain Unknown GT4; 09-20-2016 at 02:59 PM.. |
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Although, there is something interesting to learn from looking at the differences between the results. Because C&D are using their staff writers to set lap times, the results are more reflective of what us mere mortals can expect to achieve behind the wheel of one of these cars. You could say that it speaks to the ease-of-use for each car. I'd still take that with a boulder sized grain of salt though. Pro-drivers are vetted by their ability to rise through the ranks and be competitive amongst other pro drivers. Amateur capability varies greatly, and there's really no way to tell whether one C&D staff driver is particularly skillful (or not). So the signal-to-noise ratio (signal being lap time, and noise being driver skill) in their test is horrible. It'd be foolish to place too much confidence in the outcome of a poorly designed test, and that's what C&D have on their hands. It is comforting to see that C&D managed to put down a very good lap time in the M4 GTS though. Even discounting the results to account for variation in driver skill level, the M4 GTS sounds like it is very well balanced and fun car to set a lap time in. That is, IMO, more important than outright pace, provided you're not participating in a timed event/race.
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Mag racing is what most people focus on, because that's all they have access too. Not saying it's right (I think it's silly), but I kind of understand what causes it.
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Here's my take. People take Mag times seriously because the professionals set the time. When buying a car of this caliber, many people wanna know the max potential of it compared to the competition.
Myself I don't so much care. But that's my take. As for the comment on the mustang being a plastic bin with poor quality, that's laughable. The GT350r screams lots of stuff to me, but poor quality and plastic bin aren't in mind. Let's not act like BMW interiors are Fucking Bentley quality. It wasn't long ago they shipped cars with rusty seat rails and merino leather falling apart after moderately daily use. The M4 GTS is a cool car. But I can't take it seriously. It's pretentious. It's like "hey look at me I'm a track car, priced like a track car..." but it isn't. The GT3RS is priced somewhat close to it and it's not even close. The GT350r is a far better bargain, as is many other cars. Will the M4 GTS be a cool collector's item? Fuck yeah it will. But it's always gonna be what it is. A car that never lived up to the hype. Period. |
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You can tell by how excited Randy was about the GT350R, it is the best car of the bunch...
on another note.. it sounded like the GTS had a BOV at times... different setup than regular f80? or just more boost? |
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2. Mercedes-AMG GT S - 1:35.30 - $169,450 3. Ford Mustang Shelby GT350R - 1:36.11 - $66,990 4. BMW M4 GTS - 1:37.66 - $135,195 5. Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE - 1:37.78 - $45,700 6. Aston Martin V12 Vantage S - 1:41.77 - $211,910 Massive props to Chevy (and Ford) lately. They are killing it. Hard to deny that they deserve some credit from a performance standpoint. Crazy to see the Camaro with a 38hp deficit, manual transmission, less aero, and nearly 150lbs heavier is within spitting distance to the track focused, caged GTS with DCT, and adjustable splitters/wings/coilovers. Been tracking cars for 6 years myself and just a wing alone would of been a sizable second or so improvement for the average driver. Kind of mind boggling to see the GTS not really adding up to the sum of its parts. Last edited by naut; 09-21-2016 at 01:36 AM.. |
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My guess is they expected it better from the GTS as well and perhaps Randy had to go again and try to get the lap time he expected. Hence they spend more time on the video showing the serious face expressions he makes in order to emphasize he really drove hard.
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Anyone else interested those Eagle F1 tires (never thought I'd that about a Goodyear tire) on that the 1LE? These could be an interesting a summer tire option if they come down in sizes while keeping the same compound. That LE1 is getting it's speed from somewhere, and that somewhere isn't horsepower or aero. Magnetic dampers and an electronic differential can only take a car so far.
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Daily Fix has some pretty interesting behind the scene commentary and such for BDC.
- BMW provided factory technical support at the event along with the other major players. - The GT350r's sport cup 2's are superior to other sport cup 2's. Last edited by redux; 09-21-2016 at 12:04 PM.. |
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"I just had a great time in this car. It was literally putting a smile on my face while I was driving, even though i'm dead serious about turning a good lap time. That almost never happens". I interpreted it as he is dead serious and focused for turning the best lap time he can (in every car), yet he enjoyed driving the GT350R so much that he couldn't help but have a big smile on his face during the fast lap in the 350R, which almost never happens when he's focused on turning fast times. 0.02 |
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991.2 Carrera S backs up it's Sport Auto supertest performance.
MT BDC Laguna lap time - 1:36.44 These new base turbo Carrera's are really impressive. |
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Lighter, faster, better in every way on track. (Although it is more expensive as you would probably spec it).
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Pretty interesting when you look at performance per dollar, weight vs lap time, weight vs tire size, weight distribution vs tire size, etc...
Viper ACR – Previous years (1:28.65 – 1:30.46) – 1:31.58 didn’t talk $131,990 645/600 3,379 50/50 98.8” 295/355 Khumho Ecsta V720 ACR Audi R8 V10 Plus – 1:34.23 didn’t talk $198,850 602/413 3,642 42/58 104.3” 245/295 P-Zero McLaren 570S – 1:34.58 didn’t talk $219,770 562/443 3,188 42/58 105.1” 225/285 P-Zero Corsa AMG GT S – 1:35.57 (no wing last year) 1:35.30 talked $169,450 503/479 3,698 48/52 103.5” 265/295 MPSC2 GT350R – 1:36.11 talked $66,990 526/429 3,711 54/46 107.1” 305/315 MPSC2 NSX – 1:36.36 loose, talkes $197,400 573/476 3,876 42/58 103.5” 245/295 P-Zero Corsa Trofeo 991.2 Carrera S – 1:39.0 (2013) - 1:36.44 Talks the most $140,465 420/368 3,353 37/63 96.5” 245/305 Pirelli P Zero Nissan GT-R Premium – Quickest non-Nismo prior: 1:36.35 – 1:37.08 - talked $112,585 565/467 3,936 55/45 109.4” 255/285 SP Sport MAXX GT 600 DSST CTT RunFlat M4 GTS – 1:37.66 twitchy, didn’t talk $135,195 493/443 3,605lb 53/47 110.7” 265/285 MPSC2 Camaro SS 1LE – 1:37.78 talked $45,700 455/455 3,735 54/46 110.7” 285/305 Eagle F1 Supercar G2 Last edited by Billj747; 09-22-2016 at 09:50 AM.. |
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