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Just about everything but GT3s at my track day events. I've seen 1 in the last 5 years of tracking. Anecdotal of course but I think once people spend $180k on a track day special, or their 997 RS jumps to $200k in value, they suddenly realize they don't want to track it.
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Back to my originally question though, 'hypothetically' which is the better buy? lol By the way, there's a whole thread on "How many miles in your M4 GTS?". Based on the responses there, I don't think GT3s are driven any less than GTSs. |
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12-04-2017, 07:36 PM | #157 |
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1. The GTS was way too expensive
2. The looks were very polarizing 3. It wasn't that much faster 4. The reviews were terrible 5. It's a poor proposition for a track car . . . track guys want high-revving NA engines, not super turbo hybrid acid cooling gimmicks. Basically, There's no compelling reason AT ALL unless you're a hardcore M fanatic. A $150,000 M3 is like Ford trying to sell a $100,000 Mustang. You'll have some hardcore Ford guys snatch them up at first, but nobody else will want them unless they are actually competitive with $100,000 cars.
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This review is not only entertaining, but with many truths to it
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12-04-2017, 10:27 PM | #161 |
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In the northeast, I just haven’t seen them. I see all other 911 and Cayman models, and just about all other performance makes but sadly only 1 GT3 in recent years. Believe me, would love to see more of them, it’s just my experience.
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I will also say (again) that on they track, in the real world, they are definitely comparable.
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More horse sh*t. You must go to the only track in the country without GT3 drivers. |
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12-15-2017, 02:32 PM | #168 |
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This car was not overpriced. A drive through the canyons will prove the value. A loaded M4 is in the high 90s. It is misunderstood because of some bad reviews in the U.S. It is not a car for everyone or everyday. It was unfortunate that BMW produced too many of them. I definitely feel screwed.
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The only people getting screwed are the ones who were hoping to flip them on the US market. I do not feel sorry for them. |
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Well guys, Im about to pull the trigger on a 991 GT3 gen 1. Everything is in place, want to do some things to it prior to delivery, should get it next week. For me, I will ponder what the deal is with the GTS. Cars still seem to be sitting and are continuing to drop in price. Its a shame really. I think the car happens to look the business,is unique, and obviously performs. I passed on one at 98K which seems like a terrific deal and it still sits there unsold.The GT3 for me feels like the pinnacle. I drove the car for some time as I wanted to be reminded what am i getting myself into. On start up, it makes all sorts of mechanical noises, lurches forward as the gear engages, and the rest just feels surreal. What I mean by that is that the car when your on it just wails at your senses. The sound on the way up the revs is just epic. At one point i stopped the car to say to myself WTF. Here i am currently owning the Alfa quad and a TTRS that both sound great in there own way but nothing comes even remotely close to the GT3. In fairness, the GT3 is on another level, I totally get that. Now its obviously not as practical, comfortable, fuel consumption, etc as the other 2 but I'm fortunate I don't need practical. For those of you that do pick up a GTS, I'm really interested to hear what you think.Happy motoring.....
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BMW is not offering a unique line of GT cars like Porsche. If BMW did, I would highly consider spending a premium for them. But a CS is a ZCP with software updates... its what the M3 should be in the first place. come on BMW really for $100k? I would have considered the M4 GTS with a N/A motor but its not special enough with turbos, thus no premium. What warrants the price of a M4 GTS if no special motor? Water injection... seriously? BMW is doing it on the cheap. So it will always sell at a steep discount vs. a 991 GT line. The GTS will be for the BMW die hards, which is a much smaller pool than the GT3 pool. With all this said, my point is to expect depreciation on a M4 GTS. Just like a GT3 will depreciate. A GT3 will hit a "floor" of around $100k. A M4 GTS will hit a "floor" of around $70k. They will appreciate in the mid to long term as cars move to electric, etc. But that's after keeping it in storage for 10 years, etc. They are fantastic cars, no doubt. I'm not hating on it. But just offering a perspective on why the prices are coming down to a floor level based on alternatives like the GT3. And from a buyer of $110k Porsche and BMW's, and what my view is on the M4 CS and GTS vs. Porsche.
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GTS drives a bit more under the radar as well which can be a good thing depending on who you are. The real problem with the GT3 on the street (assuming you don't mind a stiff suspension) is to get the thrill, one zing to redline in 2nd gear already has you at a 4 point ticket and in 3rd, jail time. The GTS torque is more immediate on the street so the thrills come sooner. As for the benefits of the GTS package, I think the chassis is the bigger story than the motor. There is an intangible feel that is unrelated to the motor that makes it very satisfying to drive. Finally, on the track, GT3 is wonderful, no doubt about it, though the GTS again can be setup to compete if you want. |
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I love the car, but if it is announced that only so many will be produced and delivered to the US, then it is wrong for those numbers to be ignored. BMW made a big deal about the production and allocation and now it seems that many dealers are offering deep discounts because of the extra units that were allocated. The market is only so large for a specialty car such as this because of the practicality issues.
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