BMW employee on new M3/M4: sloppy talentless drivers need not apply

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

The E9X M3's Sport+ received the same sort of criticism, so let's be fair here. It just takes some adjusting to. Once adjusted it is fine.

Sure, it can be adjusted to. I find it is harder in the low speed corner exits to avoid the wheelspin because of the torque from modded n54 when it is the stock throttle mapping.

I find it a lot nicer to have the linear throttle. There is no loss in performance, just easier to adjust the car.

I am just hoping the f80 has the linear throttle in one of the modes so ppl can customize the car to their preference.

[Reid]

Originally Posted by iPhone vs Android

these cars are not meant to be driven at their maximum potential (I'd even say not even half their maximum potential) by standard people who have no track experience.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

Sure, it can be adjusted to. I find it is harder in the low speed corner exits to avoid the wheelspin because of the torque from modded n54 when it is the stock throttle mapping.

I find it a lot nicer to have the linear throttle. There is no loss in performance, just easier to adjust the car.

I am just hoping the f80 has the linear throttle in one of the modes so ppl can customize the car to their preference.

And that may very well be the case for you........which is a point that has merit. I didn't intend for my statement to degenerate into a discussion about personal sensitivities/preferences. My only point was to state that his complaint was also a point of contention with the E9X as well, so it wasn't a 'fair' statement to single out the new car.

[Robert]

I suppose we get more cars wrapped around trees.

If you are a law abiding citizen you won't be about to extract more than 30% of the car potential on street.

[ixse]

Originally Posted by Reid

You can't possibly come close to the limit of ANY modern performance car without years of experience.

Performance cars have been improving by leaps and bounds, while the general populace still has no idea how to drive. Unless one has honed his skills in a controlled environment, he has no idea how to drive whatsoever.

"Spirited" street driving simply does not compare.

finally someone who has seen what really happens at the track.. so many show up for first time thinking they are the next fast n furious.. its hilarious..

[solstice]

My guess between the E90/E92 and F80/F82 on amateur track days around the country is that driver skill will be the only differentiator for quite a while. I.e the same drvier will be pretty much equally fast in either. The E90/E92 really is a very easy car to drive fast, I think the F80/F82 is going to be signficantly trickier but also inherently faster. Among pros the F80/F82 should see the E9X in the rear wiew mirror from the get go.

[Reid]

Originally Posted by solstice

My guess between the E90/E92 and F80/F82 on amateur track days around the country is that driver skill will be the only differentiator for quite a while. I.e the same drvier will be pretty much equally fast in either. The E90/E92 really is a very easy car to drive fast, I think the F80/F82 is going to be signficantly trickier but also inherently faster.

Miatas, E30's, and other "POS" type of cars will continue to bruise the egos of cocky E90/E92 and F80/F82 owners for years to come.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by Reid

Miatas, E30's, and other "POS" type of cars will continue to bruise the egos of cocky E90/E92 and F80/F82 owners for years to come.

Absolutely but that's another topic

[solstice]

Also what is the meaning with arguing if you can take a car to it's potential or not? Noone can do that, not even Kimi Raikonnen or the late Senna can do that. Everyone is going to miss something somewhere. However once you loose it you have gone beyond your 10/10 and that's what matters here. The F8X will likely risk getting you there quicker and more unexpected.

I still think this car will be just as tame as all other new cars with DSC on and not get a reputation of being a widow maker. Not many are reckless enough to turn DSC off to perform stunts on the street.

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by iPhone vs Android

I disagree, my ZCP in sport+ is pretty linear.

Try going over rumble strips with that!!

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by Reid

Miatas, E30's, and other "POS" type of cars will continue to bruise the egos of cocky E90/E92 and F80/F82 owners for years to come.

Dude miatas are 500 hp. Thats why they are the fastest at every track no?

[Ashley Schaeffer BMW]

So I should learn how to drive on a track and get a false sense of confidence and then push the M4 to its limits on public roads?

Some of you children have dangerous mind sets. The majority of M drivers don't track their cars. They aren't interested in pushing cars to their limits.

I think a few of you just want to pretend this car is dangerous like a carrera gt or zr1. M cars are compromise cars, not track monsters.

[hellrotm]

Unnecessary hype these days.

Just let the car do the talking when it arrives and real world reviews happen.

[skyw4lker808]

That actually makes me want the new breed. Honestly that's probably the highest praise a driver could give a car. A performance car should be twitchy and nervous like a well bread thorough bread horse...not some docile quarter horse that will just go along its merry way. What he's basically saying is if you can't handle cars, you shouldn't be in this one. Sounds like bmw found a Big hairy set of balls.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by FogCityM3

Don't know why the credibility of the BMW employee is in such question...actually the statement makes complete sense. Remember the reviewers on 5th Gear having issues with the M5 (think it was Vicki) with respect to throttle modulation and sudden oversteer. My own experiences driving the 1M vs the M3 made the non-linearity of power delivery very apparent. That's the downside of having a torque-monster.

Yup. Same goes for the current C63. This isn't the first car with a lot of torque. The guys statement sounds legit. But who cares. A car with enough power to get you in trouble is not ground breaking news.

[fbm3cab]

Originally Posted by JAM3S

So I should learn how to drive on a track and get a false sense of confidence and then push the M4 to its limits on public roads?

Some of you children have dangerous mind sets. The majority of M drivers don't track their cars. They aren't interested in pushing cars to their limits.

I think a few of you just want to pretend this car is dangerous like a carrera gt or zr1. M cars are compromise cars, not track monsters.

None of these cars are dangerous and neither will the new M3/4 be dangerous, but the driver? Well that's another story.

So then we can all agree that sloppy or talentless drivers will have a problem behind the wheel of the new M3/4, well of course they will, or any car for that matter but especially a fast one.

Or perhaps the person quoted as saying this isn't a very good driver?

His statement doesn't tell us anything, but for some reason I find myself wanting to drive one more now then before. So the marketing ploy seems to be working

[Thurman Murch]

Ok turbo cars are moody and depending on climate variables and if you have a decent tank of gas... When the power is really on I am sure the F80/2 could get you in trouble just like the E90/2

Because it isn't NA I see more of a love/hate relationship with this gen... I still prefer the throttle/ITB set up...

I wish the S55 was in the 1/2 series M and we still had some variant of the S65

BLUF - the F8X will eat tires and will require carbon management and stir similar sentiments as the F10... Keep your S65 if you can

[AbuArije5]

Smh at you guys falling for this troll of a thread people and smh people talking about years of tracks experience just to handle new m4 smh is my only response. Only about 20 percent tracks there ms on the this forum other just bs.

[AbuArije5]

Keep traction control on and drive responsible you should be fine

[02fireman]

I don't know about you guys but I plan on hitting my PS3 for a few months, memorizing the ring again, then go straight to the ring from the welt with all the buttons off.............lol. JK, I'll properly break it in first, do the first service, THEN go to the ring.

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by Reid

You can't possibly come close to the limit of ANY modern performance car without years of experience.

Oh, you can come close to the limit without any track experience. Hell, you can blow right past close in to "way past" really easily

[Reid]

Originally Posted by JAM3S

So I should learn how to drive on a track and get a false sense of confidence and then push the M4 to its limits on public roads?

No one said that.

Originally Posted by JAM3S

Some of you children have dangerous mind sets. The majority of M drivers don't track their cars. They aren't interested in pushing cars to their limits.

I agree, the majority of M drivers purchase the car simply for status, not for performance. There's nothing wrong with that, but it has to be noted that these people without experience shouldn't even attempt to approach the limit.

Originally Posted by JAM3S

I think a few of you just want to pretend this car is dangerous like a carrera gt or zr1. M cars are compromise cars, not track monsters.

You miss the point entirely and clearly have no understanding of what it's like to drive at the limit. You would be absolutely amazed at the speed at which even a "lowly" 320i can achieve.

There are no such things as dangerous cars, only unskilled drivers. A car with a tendency to oversteer is only dangerous in the hands of the untrained.