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I agree with most of what Nick says in this video.
M2 does look a tiny bit better up front but mostly a wash. M4 looks worlds better from the rear. Not even close IMO. M2 interior is rubbish. That video makes it look even worse than when I saw it in person. If you're on a budget M2 is the car to buy. But if you can expand up to the M4 its an overall better car. Even in stripper version. |
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09-01-2016, 07:40 AM | #46 |
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I don't understand the weight - the car is meaningfully smaller in every dimension. It has less cooling than the S55 (which adds alot of weight in materials and fluids).
Let me put it another way: A 911 is similar in size and has a higher level of interior quality and now has a 3.0 liter turbo. A 911 is 1" shorter in overall length (though 10" shorter wheelbase, but still, dimension wise it's near identical. A 911 weighs 3,153 pounds according to published specs with PDK. Why does an M2 weigh 300 pounds more? Where is that weight going? I can understand perhaps 150 pounds more simply due to lower cost materials. But 300 pounds for a near identical setup (and with one fewer turbo too!)...
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On the flip side, the 911 has to run oil & coolant tubing all the way to the front.
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I agree that you would expect there to be more of a difference between the 2 series and 3/4, though. |
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Or perhaps it's just the abundant use of plastic or maybe the glass is thicker in the m2 |
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09-01-2016, 08:24 PM | #52 |
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Funny, everybody is saying what a bang for the buck the M2 is and one of my local dealers has one in stock. They are asking 67k for it. I can't imagine paying M3/4 money for this thing.
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Options...options...options What M2 would I buy? Give me M seats/ same CF bits as F80 and full leather/Merino BUT......---->>>It would need the B58 and not the N55 |
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$67K for an M2 is no bargain at all. |
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09-02-2016, 01:38 PM | #58 |
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MPerf211, that's one impressive list of cars you've owned. It will be interesting to get your overall take of the M4 once you move on to something else....and looking at that long list, you are most certainly moving on to something else much sooner than later. hahaha
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Actually, I was not even looking to get rid of the M4 until the owner of the company I work for/partner with leased us both company Tundra Crewmax 1794's. I drive the Tundra 4 days a week to work so the M4 saw very little time. And as much as I loved the car, I said from the get go that I would never own as a fun/weekend type car as I think the car is a performance oriented daily driver type of car. So I traded it for the 981 BoxsterS. The 981BS is the most fun car I have owned (while not even close to being the fastest). I just freakin love this thing. NA with a true 6 speed manual. Would not own anything else at this time for a perfromance daily driver car than the M3/M4....it's that good (save for the sound). The current M4 with the sound of the E92M would be tits. Sorry to take up space here with my reply...........back to the topic at hand |
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I'm sure it'll go quick though as there are not many around on lots. If anybody here is interested here is the link to it. http://www.motorwerksbmw.com/bmw-m2/ |
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Nick says they are similar. My take.
Yes they are SIMILAR. Not the same. I owned an F80 and own an M2 now. My new ZCP F80 comes in October. Straight line, no contest. The F80 is faster, by a bunch. Cornering is where the M2 makes it's money. It will corner harder than a pre 58.3 upgraded F80, probably about the same as a 58.3 Upgraded F80 and can't keep with a ZCP F80. We see this in the test results. Short technical track with an older F8x the F8x loses. The ZCP F8x wins. On longer tracks with appreciable straights even the older F8x's will pull away. The M2 wants to rotate more quickly than the ZCP F8x, and is more controllable when it does (It is the right size, aka the size of an e46.) The M2's steering is phenomenal! Almost as good as my old 330i ZHP. The hardware is exactly the same in the F8x, so it's software. We need to figure out how to code the F87 steering into the F8x. There is no dead spot on center like I have found in all F8x's I've driven. The M2 at 10/10ths is easy and accessible, even to a novice. Not so in the F8x. A ZCP F8x at 9/10 is just as fast as the M2 at 10/10. Going past 9/10 in the F8x you know there is an angry beast waiting for you if you cross the line. With the M2 there isn't. It's just an easier car to drive, and drive fast. (Please note the lack of pictures of M2's wrapped around trees like we saw with the F8x's.) It really is the throwback people say it is. My wife told me that if I kept the M2 I was sleeping on the couch, and buying a new couch was a serious consideration. The final reasons I won't keep the M2 are. F8x Seats are much more comfortable to me. I'm just over 6 feet, but with a very long torso. So to a seat back I'm like a 6 foot 4 inch guy. The seats don't support me and become painful over longer drives. (A few reviewers have noted this too.) Yes, this complaint makes me old... I have kids and NEED 4 doors. If BMW makes the M2 Gran Coupe, and it drives like the M2, I will ditch the ZCP F80 and pay to have a F80 seat spliced in there. The M2 is that good. Things I thought would bother me on the M2 but didn't. The rotated seat - Notice it all the time and I don't care Lack of Heads Up - Don't care (this really surprised me.) Crappy leather - Notice it all the time and I don't care Non-adjustable suspension - Don't care, it is like Goldilocks and just right. Lack of M buttons on the steering wheel - Don't care (I just put into sport+ when I get in) Things that bother me in the M2 that I care about Painful seats (If tall) High seating position (It feels like an SUV compared to the F8x, and is the same seating height as my wife's 328 Sport Wagon) You CANNOT see the gauges in the daylight. I dislike the "open weave" carbon trim, this one strangely bugs me to the point of distraction. The F8x gets attention from BMW guys, the M2 gets attention from boy racers. I have yet to come to a light (in the M2) with a subaru that doesn't want to race. So if BMW is listening, make the M2 GC and let us have the better seats (we will pay for them). I don't care about the rest, if the car handles like this. The people who say it isn't a "Real M Car" haven't spent much time driving it. Feel free to flame away.
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