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      06-12-2014, 02:16 PM   #67
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I love the fact that it beats the Cayman S!! Don't get me wrong, I love the Cayman, but having just sold one to jump into an M4, I am most pleased! :-)
Ring is a hp track.

Cayman S has the same Hockenheim lap time 1:12.8.
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amazing numbers!!! Im impressed indeed!!

You meant .08 tents of a second at Nurburgring and .02 the this at Hockenheim correct?
7min 44s vs 7min 52s

Means that the difference is 8 seconds.

Not 0.08 tenths of a second (which is a REALLY small difference...). I guess you meant 8/10ths and not 0.08/10ths
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HAHAHA, the "denier's" being proved wrong with a margin of a few seconds over 8 minutes.....yeh for sure that will shut them up


You've never been on a track or followed motorsport have you?

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7min 44s vs 7min 52s

Means that the difference is 8 seconds.

Not 0.08 tenths of a second (which is a REALLY small difference...). I guess you meant 8/10ths and not 0.08/10ths
Yes yes..i misread the post. Sorry, my dyslexia and jet lag is in full effect. Just got back from Munich last night
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BMWs are faster than Lambos and Ferrari's?

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Not bad company to be in... impressive compared to the E92 M3 GTS Especially considering many cars have times published with the manufacturers professional drivers in absolutely ideal conditions.

64. Porsche 911 Turbo 7:47.00 Onboard N/A '09
65. Porsche 911 GT3 RS 7:48.00 Onboard N/A '06
66. BMW M3 GTS 7:48.00 Onboard N/A '10
67. Alpina B3 GT3 7:49.00 Onboard N/A '10
68. Lamborghini Murcielago 7:50.00 Onboard N/A '02
69. BMW M3 CSL 7:50.00 Onboard N/A '03
70. Porsche 911 Carrera S 7:50.00 Onboard N/A '08
71. Mercedes SL65 AMG Black Series 7:51.00 Onboard N/A '09
72. Jaguar XKR-S 7:51.00 Onboard N/A '11
73. Lamborghini Gallardo 7:52.00 Onboard N/A '03
74. Ford GT 7:52.00 Onboard N/A '04
75. Porsche Panamera Turbos S 7:52.00 Onboard N/A '11
76. Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 7:52.00 Onboard N/A '08
77. Mercedes CLK DTM 7:54.00 Onboard N/A '04
78. Porsche 911 GT3 7:54.00 Onboard N/A '03
79. Ferrari F430 7:55.00 Onboard N/A '05
80. Subaru WRX STI 7:55.00 Watch Onboard '10
81. Caterham R500 1.8L K Series 7:55.00 Onboard N/A '99
82. BMW M5 7:55.00 Onboard N/A '11
83. Porsche 911 Turbo 7:56.00 Onboard N/A '00
84. Ferrari 360 CS 7:56.00 Onboard N/A '03
85. Ferrari California GT 7:56.00 Onboard N/A '09
86. Porsche Panamera Sport Chrono Turbo 7:56.00 Onboard N/A '09
87. Porsche Panamera Turbo 7:56.00 Onboard N/A '09
88. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 7:56.00 Onboard N/A '02
89. Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG Coupé Electric Drive 7:56.23 Watch Onboard '13
90. Porsche 911 GT3 7:56.33 Onboard N/A '99
91. Honda NSX-R 7:56.73 Watch Onboard '02
92. Audi RS4 7:58.00 Onboard N/A '05
93. Seat Leon Cupra 7:58.40 Onboard N/A '14
94. Jaguar XKR-S Convertible 7:59.00 Onboard N/A '12
95. Chevrolet Corvette C6 7:59.00 Onboard N/A '04
96. Porsche 911 Carrera S 7:59.00 Onboard N/A '04
97. Cadillac CTS-V 7:59.32 Watch Onboard '09
98. Mercedes C63 AMG Coupe 8:01.00 Onboard N/A '11
99. Mercedes C63 AMG Coupe Performance Pkg 8:01.00 Onboard N/A '11
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I love the fact that it beats the Cayman S!! Don't get me wrong, I love the Cayman, but having just sold one to jump into an M4, I am most pleased! :-)
Off topic for a sec, but What year cayman s? The new 981? I was definetely considering it for my Next car (gorgeous) but like you said the new M3/4 are just soooo damn good. Plus the everyday practicality and trackabily. Cayman S freaks me out, afraid after a while lack of room and back seats would drve me insane.
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Yes yes..i misread the post. Sorry, my dyslexia and jet lag is in full effect. Just got back from Munich last night
Hahaha... No problemo
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Ring is a hp track.
This isn't meant at you, but I think that's always a cop out excuse.

HP (and how it puts it down) is still a major factor, right there with handling and brakes.
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BMWs are faster than Lambos and Ferrari's?
Yeah but lambos and ferraris of 10-12 years ago!
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      06-12-2014, 02:47 PM   #77
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http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife.html

The M4 is there.
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      06-12-2014, 02:52 PM   #79
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Cayman GTS did a 07:53. I thought the BMW would be faster, tbh.
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Cayman GTS did a 07:53. I thought the BMW would be faster, tbh.
Cayman GT4 is coming though
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Cayman S is here:
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/hockenheim_short.html
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BMWs are faster than Lambos and Ferrari's?
You think? Check the year the cars were manufactured.
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      06-12-2014, 03:44 PM   #83
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Lets get the M5 side of the forum back in for the debate...LOL.


Hockenheim

BMW M5 Competition Package (F10) 1:12.80
Actually, the Hockenheim numbers for the F10 M5 I believe. The Nurburgring not so much.

It is a fact for instance that the SportAuto numbers for the E92 M3 on the Nurburgring were achieved using Cup tires.

We still don't know if the speed limiter of 155mph was used on the F10 M5 for the Nurburgring test.

Also, SportAuto says that they used Carbon Brakes for their tests with the M4.

Let's get SportAuto to test the F10 M5 with the Competition Package and Carbon Brakes on both tracks then. I'm not saying the F10 M5 will be fast than the M4, because it's still 900lbs heavier, but let's at least get a test where the M5 has all available factory options on it to let it achieve what it really can do. The Unsprung Weight advantage of Carbon Brakes alone will make a big difference.

One more thing. Let's get a SportAuto test on the new Alpha Romeo 4C on both of these tracks too and compare them to the M4. The new 4C comes in at a featherweight ~2,400lbs and 240hp and 250tq. An all Carbon Fiber chassis that weighs 1,000lbs less than an M4 and will be $10,000 cheaper. Would be interesting to see the results.

Also a test of the new Cayman GTS would be nice too. .
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Man...it's as fast around a tight track as an M5. Very impressive.
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How is it the Panamera is just as fast.
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You think? Check the year the cars were manufactured.
Yep that's what I said...a Ferrari from a decade ago is apples to oranges to current cars.
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Lets get the M5 side of the forum back in for the debate...LOL.


Hockenheim

BMW M5 Competition Package (F10) 1:12.80
Actually, the Hockenheim numbers for the F10 M5 I believe. The Nurburgring not so much.

It is a fact for instance that the SportAuto numbers for the E92 M3 on the Nurburgring were achieved using Cup tires.

We still don't know if the speed limiter of 155mph was used on the F10 M5 for the Nurburgring test.

Also, SportAuto says that they used Carbon Brakes for their tests with the M4.

Let's get SportAuto to test the F10 M5 with the Competition Package and Carbon Brakes on both tracks then. I'm not saying the F10 M5 will be fast than the M4, because it's still 900lbs heavier, but let's at least get a test where the M5 has all available factory options on it to let it achieve what it really can do. The Unsprung Weight advantage of Carbon Brakes alone will make a big difference.

One more thing. Let's get a SportAuto test on the new Alpha Romeo 4C on both of these tracks too and compare them to the M4. The new 4C comes in at a featherweight ~2,400lbs and 240hp and 250tq. An all Carbon Fiber chassis that weighs 1,000lbs less than an M4 and will be $10,000 cheaper. Would be interesting to see the results.

Also a test of the new Cayman GTS would be nice too. .
It was a delimited M5. They did 279km/h at Dottinger Hohe:

http://m.sportauto.de/supertest/bmw-...95.html?show=2

And they also wrote that the tires was gone after one lap (both on the Ring and at Hockenheim). Making it impossible to replicate the lap times without new tires... They blame the weight of the M5 for this. Also complain about fading brakes...

But I would also love to see a Supertest of a M5 CP with CCB
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Actually, the Hockenheim numbers for the F10 M5 I believe. The Nurburgring not so much.

It is a fact for instance that the SportAuto numbers for the E92 M3 on the Nurburgring were achieved using Cup tires.

We still don't know if the speed limiter of 155mph was used on the F10 M5 for the Nurburgring test.

Also, SportAuto says that they used Carbon Brakes for their tests with the M4.

Let's get SportAuto to test the F10 M5 with the Competition Package and Carbon Brakes on both tracks then. I'm not saying the F10 M5 will be fast than the M4, because it's still 900lbs heavier, but let's at least get a test where the M5 has all available factory options on it to let it achieve what it really can do. The Unsprung Weight advantage of Carbon Brakes alone will make a big difference.

One more thing. Let's get a SportAuto test on the new Alpha Romeo 4C on both of these tracks too and compare them to the M4. The new 4C comes in at a featherweight ~2,400lbs and 240hp and 250tq. An all Carbon Fiber chassis that weighs 1,000lbs less than an M4 and will be $10,000 cheaper. Would be interesting to see the results.

Also a test of the new Cayman GTS would be nice too. .
I don't think the CCB make a difference in lap times for the M4.

They might on the M5 due to its greater weight. CCB would improve fade resistance.
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