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Those are my assumptions, period. All you need is right there. |
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"In other words, two identical cars with identical power delivery, one has 600 pound ft torque the other has 400. Both have the same HP, would the torque really matter in speed, or just in feel?" That's all you need. The cars are identical, right down to making the same power at the same rpm (i.e. - "identical power delivery"). Secondly, Rupe didn't ask anything about how big or small the difference in ET or speed would be, nor did he specify a distance. Why bring it up? Third, the actual performance difference would vary based on gearing and where the torque peak fell in relation to the power peak. The closer the gearing, the smaller the difference, and vice versa. Fourth, I didn't bother getting into off-the-line performance because there's no particular reason why a 600 foot-pound car will be as controllable as an otherwise identical 400 foot-pound car over the first 60 feet, and Rupe didn't specify a standing start quarter mile. He left it more open than that. Fifth, there is no way the 400 foot pound car will win a race from 60-130 over the 600 foot pound car. Just no way. You're using that moderately crappy software again instead of using your noggin. The 600 foot pound car makes more power everywhere except at the power peak. Period. Bruce |
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05-09-2014, 01:55 PM | #225 |
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no i mean when im exiting a corner faster due to getting on the gas earlier hence being in front of the m4
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05-09-2014, 01:56 PM | #226 | |
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Hp, torque and RPM are "sort of" dependent of each other Can you really have two engines that makes the same power at the same rpm, but has different torque numbers...??? (or rather vice versa) I think I know the answer, just wanted to put the question out there for you |
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whats the quoted time for the m4 on the ring?
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05-09-2014, 02:05 PM | #230 |
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BMW doesn't publish Nürburgring lap times. But one of the reviews mentioned that BMW now had said the F8x was 15s faster than the E9x.
Sport Auto did a 8:05 (I believe) in the E9x. So, 7:50s should be around where it's at |
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fuck me, why did I order the cayman GTS
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As the Cayman S is at 7:55, 7:50 seems reasonable for the GTS. Not bad being down 20% power.
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i mean there are guys with ferraris and r8's and porsches out there that are slow as heck...im not saying im fast...just saying im not as slow as others LOL. |
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From personal experience with the f10 M5, these turbo engines just make to much power for the chassis to handle. The DCT is great, although it could be better, as I do not like the exact jerkyness in sport plus, but once you get to a corner, the entire time the car is searching for grip grip grip... and all its getting is tire spin tire spin tire spin. The turn in with the M5, no matter what mode feels artificial and at points scary, as you know that car will make turn, but not exactly sure the car is listening to you. So, as I said in a different thread, BMW is trying to change up the turbo game with its own taste, but unfortunately, you can have a N.A motor at heart, and a turbo engine in the flesh. It does not work, it does not sound pretty, it does not anything. Want to make a real Turbo M car, go ahead, but make sure its not a splitting personalty, otherwise you are neither here or there.
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Because a race between a average driver in a E9x M3 vs a average driver in a F8x M3/4 will be a win for the F8x Put a bad driver in the F8x and a good driver in the E9x, the E9x should win. Doesn't mean it's the better car that won, just the better driver |
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but, i think the average driver will have a tougher time in the f80 no? turbo lag and I imagine the car to be sliding much more. |
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05-09-2014, 04:58 PM | #240 | |
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Since it's able to lap quicker than the E9x, it's also able to carry more speed through corners, down the straights etc. Higher cornering loads and higher speeds means the limits have been pushed even further. And it might be more difficult for the average driver to extract 10/10ths (or 8/10ths for that matter) out of the F8x. But say that the average F8x driver is at 7/10ths of the car he would still quite likely still be faster than a E9x driven at 8/10ths |
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