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      05-10-2014, 07:53 PM   #89
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Stupid drifting ruined the video
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Started to p*ss me off too.

I much prefer the videos they play at the dealership which show track driving capability and not just senseless tyre destruction.

There was so much of it in this video that it made Chris Harris look well behaved.
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      05-10-2014, 08:05 PM   #90
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A great combination doesn't work if one of the components fails. The M4 chassis from the reports is fantastic. The problem is that the other areas which combine to make the M combination such as the engine, sound, and steering are getting mixed reviews.
Sound is tied to the engine and honestly, with the exception of the S65, M3s have never really sounded all that great (even though I personally like the raspiness of an I6).

You seem to think the E9X M3 was perfect which it was not.
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      05-10-2014, 08:10 PM   #91
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A great combination doesn't work if one of the components fails. The M4 chassis from the reports is fantastic. The problem is that the other areas which combine to make the M combination such as the engine, sound, and steering are getting mixed reviews.
Sound is tied to the engine and honestly, with the exception of the S65, M3s have never really sounded all that great (even though I personally like the raspiness of an I6).

You seem to think the E9X M3 was perfect which it was not.
The e46 could be made to sound good but past generations besides the s65 haven't sounded great. But look at the sounds that will come from the twin turbo v8 AMG, Stingray, Porsches so being the worst sounding of the bunch isn't very nice which we all know it's going to be the worst sounding since most of the competition is still using v8s.
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So Porsche has both EPS and not so good sounding engines yet their models are universally heralded as THE track cars. (the very same things you think are negative about the F8X)

Can't have it both ways.
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So Porsche has both EPS and not so good sounding engines yet their models are universally heralded as THE track cars. (the very same things you think are negative about the F8X)

Can't have it both ways.
I think the Porsches sound better then the M4 and I can't comment on the steering until I drive an M4.
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I think the Porsches sound better then the M4 and I can't comment on the steering until I drive an M4.
Have you driven a Porsche with EPS though?

You do enjoy making circular arguments.
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      05-10-2014, 08:40 PM   #95
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No, this has been discussed several times. It just happens to be a 4L V8, but is not based off the S65.
And next season, DTM is also going with turbo charging, so that will be the end of those racing V8's as well.
Who said anything about DTM?

Oh and the 2 liter turbos are due in 2016 DTM season, not next season.

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Again, @BlackJetE90 said competition & competition doesn't strictly mean DTM.
The DTM engines have nothing to do with street cars.
I've mentioned above the continued development of the S65-based platform in GT series in the Z4 GT3 & GTE.
Yup
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That one also didn't have any mid-section cats, right? Not really a fair comparison.
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Keep in mind that exhaust had no cats or resonators at all. Straight pipes with high flow or straight flow muffler.
Correct the MotoGP Safety Car had catless titanium exhaust.
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      05-10-2014, 08:42 PM   #97
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I think the Porsches sound better then the M4 and I can't comment on the steering until I drive an M4.
Have you driven a Porsche with EPS though?

You do enjoy making circular arguments.
I've spent time with the Cayman not a 911 and I don't know how it compares to non-eps Porsches but I'll get to drive my M3 back to back with the M4 which will make it easier to compare the feelings.
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no car is perfect, and no car ever will be a perfect, 100% satisfactory vehicle.

Good review, i totally agree and many car guys would agree with the last minutes of this video.
Everything else is perfect, but that M's "extra one yard beyond" isn't really present in this F80 M3.

yea yea turbo, efficient, torque, power, speed, handling, who doesn't have that these days, especially 2012+ new sports cars...
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      05-10-2014, 08:51 PM   #99
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Who said anything about DTM?
You did. DTM is competition afterall
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      05-10-2014, 08:58 PM   #100
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You did. DTM is competition afterall
Quite sure I didn't mention DTM.



I said based off S65. So anyone that knows anything about motorsports, knows what series I am talking about.

I am first to tell anyone the DTM M4 is not a M4, but a glorified spec racing series.
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      05-10-2014, 09:00 PM   #101
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@BlackJetE90 said competition, not exclusively DTM.
The Z4 GT3 and Z4 GTE still use a beefed up homologated S65.
Some people get it.
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      05-10-2014, 09:01 PM   #102
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It has a completley different tone from the 335i all im saying is you need to hear it in person but all you butthurt 335i fans just hate on the new M3 / M4 probably cause you cant afford it most likely..

and he's comparing a modded exhaust to stock.. change the exhaust on the new M3 and M4 and it will sound even better.

Pretty much anyone who drives a 335i M Sport can spring to an M3.My 335i xDrive M Sport stickered at $62k. M3 money. But if believing otherwise makes you feel better, then by all means.


Infact, I sold my e92 M3 because I prefer to have an xDrive car. An xDrive e90/92 would have been a no brainer for me. As things stand now, I might still have hard time justifying an f80 M3, even if it were xDrive. It's a glorified 335i.Especially since BMW has since reprogrammed the f30 steering to be awesome. I'm sure the M3 will prove to be the better car overall, but the delta between the series cars and M cars seems to be ever shrinking, with the n55 i6 engine being utilized in both.


It just doesn't move me. I don't desire it yet, or "want" it. Hopefully a test drive will change my mind. And if you haven't been in a 335i M Sport, you truly have a weak point of reference. But marketing can be very powerful to convince you otherwise.

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Quite sure I didn't mention DTM.

I said based off S65. So anyone that knows anything about motorsports, knows what series I am talking about.
Here's what you said:
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Yet BMW keeps on using it in competition (engines based off the S65).
You said competition. DTM is also competition, no? Hence I pointed out the other V8 engines used by BMW in competition have nothing to do with an S65. I also agreed that the S65 engines used in competition are 4.4L stroked S65s. Also correct, no?

Go back and read my other posts about "competition" engines in BMWs. I'm not exactly uneducated about them.

Try not to sound so condescending, ok?
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Pretty much anyone who drives a 335i M Sport can spring to an M3.My 335i xDrive M Sport stickered at $62k. M3 money. But if believing otherwise makes you feel better, then by all means.
Don't even respond to comments like that. The fact he says something like that, in his mind he thinks the M3/M4 is expensive. Which in reality it really isn't, it is just a 3 series after all. They are going to be everywhere a year from now. We aren't talking about a MP4-12C.
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no car is perfect, and no car ever will be a perfect, 100% satisfactory vehicle.

Good review, i totally agree and many car guys would agree with the last minutes of this video.
Everything else is perfect, but that M's "extra one yard beyond" isn't really present in this F80 M3.

yea yea turbo, efficient, torque, power, speed, handling, who doesn't have that these days, especially 2012+ new sports cars...

Point!
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Here's what you said:


You said competition. DTM is also competition, no? Hence I pointed out the other V8 engines used by BMW in competition have nothing to do with an S65. I also agreed that the S65 engines used in competition are 4.4L stroked S65s. Also correct, no?

Go back and read my other posts about "competition" engines in BMWs. I'm not exactly uneducated about them.

Try not to sound so condescending, ok?
Try not to get so wound up by quoting a response to someone else who only mentioned DTM. I saw your earlier posts, I didn't quote yours.
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Try not to get so wound up by quoting a response to someone else who only mention DTM. I saw your earlier posts, I didn't quote yours.
So your condescension was directed at someone else then, good to know.
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Yet BMW keeps on using it in competition (engines based off the S65).
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Here's what you said:


You said competition. DTM is also competition, no? Hence I pointed out the other V8 engines used by BMW in competition have nothing to do with an S65. I also agreed that the S65 engines used in competition are 4.4L stroked S65s. Also correct, no?

Go back and read my other posts about "competition" engines in BMWs. I'm not exactly uneducated about them.
I well aware of what I said and my statement is still correct.

I am sorry some took my comment as saying in every race series BMW competes in they use a S65 based powerplant.
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I well aware of what I said and my statement is still correct.
Partially correct. But you have since further clarified your earlier statement. Just don't jump on everyone else because your initial comment was too vague.
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I have to say I get tired of these "expert" reviews. To hear a guy go on and on about how amazing the car is, how powerful, efficient and effective the power train is and then complain about turbocharging is silly in my opinion. Frankly to me it is as irrelevant as someone telling me how much they like or do not like the styling. I would prefer that BMW would have found a way to make the HP, MPG and torque without having to resort to turbocharging but the reality is the world changes. By all accounts they have made an amazing power train and a car to match which at the end of the day is all that counts.
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