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Let's not forget he owned an E92, so I don't think he "left things in there" to placate E92 fans. I think when he says the E92 has special character/strengths, he probably actually believes it.
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05-16-2014, 11:28 AM | #68 |
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I still read all of this discussion and chuckle at everyone's attempts to transfer their good and bad opinions of the car onto whatever the next reviewer says. I'm sure I do it too but damn we all need to just drive it and stop trying to apply objective weight to our parsing of subjective words used to describe the drive. Sounds like a bunch of 1L's in here arguing over the steering, and I'm not even a lawyer.
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But I also track my cars, and am keen to try the F80 at Spa and the Ring before the end of the season. And compared to prior M3s, from a track perspective, I'm excited by the improved brakes(!) and what sounds like an improved chassis. There are track drivers who would argue brakes and chassis are more important than the engine and horsepower. You've got to be able to put the power down for it to be useful. I don't mean to suggest the E90 couldn't put the power down, but I will argue the F80 has multiple changes for the better from a track-day perspective. The aesthetic issues of sound and the joy of rushing to redline are not part of the improvements. But I'm excited to track this car (as well as enjoy the benefits of a better daily driver). Cheers |
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He put that in specifically because he's well aware of the E46 and E9x guys who consider their cars flawless compared to the POS F8x cars lol. |
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05-16-2014, 11:41 AM | #74 | |
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From his notes, I personally feel reassured about the F8X M3/M4's steering. No, I didn't read anything that led me to believe that this steering is better than the hydraulic steering we had previously, but I also never expected it to be. My fear is that it would feel like the steering I've experienced in a few test drives of the 435i, and Chris Harris has given me some confidence that this is not the case: The steering will be satisfactory, and given that this is the first M3 foray into electrically assisted steering, I can rest easy knowing it isn't a detractor from the overall experience of the car. |
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05-16-2014, 11:43 AM | #75 |
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I find it funny we're all patiently waiting for his video review. He's one of many, but the style and substance of his reviews make them feel more substantial and effective. I personally think he's the best in the business (Top Gear full of clowns) and I cant wait to finally watch it.
Of the the reviews Ive read so far, his notes are the first think making me question the 6-MT choice. Gotta stay the course.... |
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05-16-2014, 11:44 AM | #76 | |
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I love the M4. I just wanted the luxo cruiser more as my first toy, so I bought the M6. There is no doubt that the M4 will be in my garage in the not so distant future. Both cars are great, plus, we are family. Can't we all just get along?
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can't wait for the video!
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fir the past two wednesdays ive been going to the drive network only to see spinelli playing a stupid what would you buy with $116k game on afterdrive.
get it out already. sutcliffe has. |
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He says he'd get it in blue...
Great review. Makes me want the car even more!
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(Sandy took her away) 16,780 miles. Once you drive a Ferrari or Lambo you forget all the technical stuff. you just enjoy the music behind the car. Now since i own an 13' M3 LRP I am making the same decision. Superleggera or Scuderia???? I personally love 08-13 models (Lambo) I don't like 360 CS but i love the F430 Sud. |
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Summer or Winter Solstice? lol
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I thoroughly enjoyed Chris’ preliminary review and can’t wait to see the rest of it. It wasn’t a whitewash, nor does he snootily henpeck at things for the sake of trying to make himself appear discerning. Instead, he hits on the features and drawbacks in an honest, balanced and helpful way. He gets that these cars are intended to be both competent track cars as well as daily drivers. There are other cars that can perform either purpose better.
So there are trade-offs associated with having a car that works well on a race track as well as transporting you from point A to B. Likewise, adopting new technology has its trade-offs too. You have an engine that is more efficient, powerful and has more torque versus an engine that can rev higher and sounds better. You have steering that is more precise and controllable versus steering that returns a bit more feel. In final result the new ///M goes better and steers better. M Mission accomplished. A car company that adopts new technology and minimizes its drawbacks is one that’s going to be around for a while. A car company that caters to the nostalgia crowd might as well be selling used cars. Adapt and improvise or become irrelevant I say. I will conclude by throwing in a few snippets from other reviews that I like that say an awful lot about the new ///M’s and are in keeping with why Chris liked them, for your enjoyment: http://www.autoblog.com/2014/05/12/2..._river_article Quote:
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1.) Sound 2.) "Rush to the finish" at redline 3.) Throttle response What CH seems to be saying is 1.) Maybe a little, but it grows on you given it's other superb qualities 2.) Maybe you give a LITTLE here, but not much - it's worth winding out it just doesn't have the e9x's 7000+ win ... BUT that comes with loads of pre-7000 win the e9x doesn't have 3.) None that he could tell For people complaining about the DD aspect of his review- uh, that's what this car is: a DD that can be track ready. IF you don't want a DD then why the HELL are you buying an M3/4?? (or a 911 or a cayman?) |
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e90 - more gratifying race-car like experience at the top of the tach f8x - better daily driver experience in many ways Makes alot of sense. Each M3 has become more daily driver oriented. The e90 was always the fat pig daily driver with a comfortable suspension compared to the e46, back in 07/08. |
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