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      05-19-2011, 08:56 PM   #89
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I am almost positive that what ever they build will be super.
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      05-19-2011, 08:59 PM   #90
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For me, 1 series look so ugly! plus a real M car should have its own engine, not an engine from another car! Also 1M has way lower red line. S65's red line is 8400 RPM.
If the next M3 has V8 and its red line is around 8000 RPM, I will upgrade my e92 to the new F32 model.
have you been reading this thread? All the 4 options of the new M3 engine are ported or derived from existing BMW engines (135, 1M, M3, M5)!

if the source is true, BMW is exploring a new way to develop M cars - save money on the engine development and focus on the handling and (hopefully) weight savings.
Yes existing M3. Not from a regular BMW. S65 was derived from the V10 from last generation M5
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      05-19-2011, 09:11 PM   #91
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It's pathetic what BMW is doing to the M brand these days. From slapping 'M' emblems to anything with four wheels to adding turbos to an iconic model of NA engines, how truely sad and pathetic.

Long live the last great NA M3, the E92 M3.
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      05-19-2011, 09:17 PM   #92
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think this way: whatever engine is going to make it in the X3//M will be used with higher modification in the next M3.
Look at the trend that was on the two X6//M and X5//M; same type of configuration made it into the //M5; however, it is more modified on the M5.
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      05-19-2011, 09:27 PM   #93
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As a BMW fan I know M division will come up with some crazy awesome engine for the M3. No doubt about it. The M3 is the icon for the M division and I bet it will surprise us all with something no one here has imagined.

As for weight issues, lets not forget the S65 V8 is lighter than the previous I6, so I don't think they will go back to I6 after blowing everyone's minds when they changed to V8 in the E9X. It makes more sense to turbocharge a V8 to get figures that match future competition since everyday we get more powerful engines for the same models.

Lets not forget this engine will enter the market in 3 years and will be in the market for another couple of years, it's for THE M3, and has to be turbocharged.

BUT I want to get an E92 before they're gone just to keep the last M3 NA engine with me forever.
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Almost certain the S65 turbo powerplant will not happen.

The more certain options for BMW are taking their N54 and N55 variants and doing something real with it this time unlike the 1M.

If they shoe-horn the S63 motor into the next M3, then that is enough proof that the M3 is most likely going to gain weight and only get bigger. This explains many of the things the BMW M engineer I spoke to in Germany was saying.

Before owning the current M3, I always felt the last true M3 would be the E9x platform. No matter what the reviews claim the new 1M to be, it still has the N54 platform which pails in comparison to the true sheer driving pleasure the S65 provides. No matter what was done to the N54, it will still boring, mundane and too civilized no matter how fast the car. I know this may tick off a ton of the 1M owners, sorry in advance.

The current M3 is truly a blissful experience that has me giggling from time to time, even when I feel like I have pushed her the wrong way and about to lose it. The engine response is immediate and makes throttle correction amazing. Fact is, from a power delivery standpoint, no turbo engine with a single butterfly will ever have the response of a high strung ITB NA engine.

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If N54/N55 then I'll part ways after the E92.
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      05-19-2011, 09:45 PM   #97
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Almost certain the S65 turbo powerplant will not happen.

The more certain options for BMW are taking their N54 and N55 variants and doing something real with it this time unlike the 1M.

If they shoe-horn the S63 motor into the next M3, then that is enough proof that the M3 is most likely going to gain weight and only get bigger. This explains many of the things the BMW M engineer I spoke to in Germany was saying.

Before owning the current M3, I always felt the last true M3 would be the E9x platform. No matter what the reviews claim the new 1M to be, it still has the N54 platform which pails in comparison to the true sheer driving pleasure the S65 provides. No matter what was done to the N54, it will still boring, mundane and too civilized no matter how fast the car. I know this may tick off a ton of the 1M owners, sorry in advance.

The current M3 is truly a blissful experience that has me giggling from time to time, even when I feel like I have pushed her the wrong way and about to lose it. The engine response is immediate and makes throttle correction amazing. Fact is, from a power delivery standpoint, no turbo engine with a single butterfly will ever have the response of a high strung ITB NA engine.-Malek
So true! This is to me what the fun factor is all about. Faster (turbos) is not necassarily more fun.
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      05-19-2011, 09:55 PM   #99
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      05-19-2011, 09:56 PM   #100
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Almost certain the S65 turbo powerplant will not happen.

The more certain options for BMW are taking their N54 and N55 variants and doing something real with it this time unlike the 1M.

If they shoe-horn the S63 motor into the next M3, then that is enough proof that the M3 is most likely going to gain weight and only get bigger. This explains many of the things the BMW M engineer I spoke to in Germany was saying.

Before owning the current M3, I always felt the last true M3 would be the E9x platform. No matter what the reviews claim the new 1M to be, it still has the N54 platform which pails in comparison to the true sheer driving pleasure the S65 provides. No matter what was done to the N54, it will still boring, mundane and too civilized no matter how fast the car. I know this may tick off a ton of the 1M owners, sorry in advance.

The current M3 is truly a blissful experience that has me giggling from time to time, even when I feel like I have pushed her the wrong way and about to lose it. The engine response is immediate and makes throttle correction amazing. Fact is, from a power delivery standpoint, no turbo engine with a single butterfly will ever have the response of a high strung ITB NA engine.

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Agree 100%.
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      05-19-2011, 10:03 PM   #101
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bi-turbo v8... go for it...
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      05-19-2011, 10:10 PM   #102
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With a TT V8 M5, there WILL NOT be a TT V8 M3. Not only due to emissions and weight, but COST. And if it was a TT V8, it definitely wouldn't be the S65, so stop dreaming . It'd take significant changes, adding to the cost, when they already have 2 similarly sized TT V8s.

My money is on a TT V6 derived from the S63 TT V8, just like the S65 was derived from the S85. Yes, it'll be sacrilege, but so was an M truck .

Finally, I personally think that article is pure BS. At this point, they're already testing that engine somewhere. Or close to.
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      05-19-2011, 10:13 PM   #103
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      05-19-2011, 10:49 PM   #104
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If they want to please the enthusiasts go with the S65 Biturbo, i know id want that
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      05-19-2011, 11:46 PM   #105
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      05-20-2011, 12:13 AM   #106
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I think option 2 (N55 turbo) will be the route M division will take. As per the reliable SCOTT26 (http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=425589) and comments made by Dr. Kay Segler on the issue, the S65 V8 and any other V8 is sadly not an option and these rumors are pretty much squashed. You people also forget that the S54 from the E46 was derived from the M50 engine line as was the previous engine for the E36. M has used production model engines as their basis so I don't know why the antagonistic response to using a production line engine for the F3X M3. Should they use an inherently unbalanced V6, consider my loyalty tested... I'll have to see and judge that car for myself should it happen but it surely would be a sad day in BMW history if they use any V6 in any vehicle.
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      05-20-2011, 01:06 AM   #107
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Dont understand the testing. Just license AMG or Vette engine, shoe hone it into the next platform, put M3 badge in the back and redirect all testing R&D into marketing, sell a whole bunch of them. Make a windfall and retire.
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I am surprised that there is no talk of some sort of all-new, M3-specific turbocharged inline-6 engine in the 3.0 - 3.2 liter range.....
Ok, lets talk then. A 3.2l FI M3 would have to have about 400hp and weight needs to be no more than 3400lbs for me to really get excited about the next M3.
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I respectfully disagree. With weight increases and turbos, M no longer stands for motorsport.
While I agree with you, you have to understand that BMW is trying to offer luxury comforts while trying to keep the car 'light'. BMW isn't offering you a Sports car. More like a Sport Luxury Cruiser. You can fit 4 people comfortably, and you have everything you would need. I had a Cayman S on order before I got laid off but the point I am trying to make is that BMW is trying to make a luxury cruiser extreamly sporty...while keeping the luxury. Everything else that's really lightweight can't do what the M3 does on a day to day basis.
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BMW makes a semi luxurious car and makes it handle and perform well. Porsche makes a car that handles and performs well then makes it daily drivable.
Well said.

Now end this BMW m3 vs Porsche already.

Two different philosophies. The performance just happens to come close to each other. That doesn't mean they're in the same category and should be compared.
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