M4 CS vs 911 GTS - MotorTrend Head 2 Head

[Ghetto2315]

Edit: Here is the full review! M fans will like what they say!

They just completed filming for this head to head but the host, Jonny Lieberman, already said "this is the best M product I've driven in quite some time".

Although I think the M4 CS will lose this head to head comparo since the 911 GTS is seriously good, it should be close.

If anyone gets a link to the video, post it please. Should be available soon...

EDIT: We are getting close!

[ASAP]

Can't wait to see it... but my God, there has to be a 30-40k difference in base price between these cars.

[Motorsportenterprise]

Given the M4 GTS can't compete with a 911S or GTS I can't imagine a CS is going to be able to complete very well.

[CanAutM3]

Looking forward to watch it

I am mostly interested in the M4 CS review, but it will also be interesting to see how it stacks up against the 991.2 GTS knowing going in that the 911 is a superior car.

[CanAutM3]

According to this YouTube video, MotorTrend were at the Nurburgring with an M4 CS.

[Parabolica]

Sounds like heat shield rattling.

[dgp]

911 gts hit 7:24 at the ring compared to 7:37 for m4 gts. Not likely m4 cs will be close but we'll see tomorrow...

[dgp]

Also Jethro Bovingdon replaces Jason Camissa so that should be good

[Parabolica]

Originally Posted by dgp

911 gts hit 7:24 at the ring compared to 7:37 for m4 gts. Not likely m4 cs will be close but we'll see tomorrow...

All the same driver and date?

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by dgp

Also Jethro Bovingdon replaces Jason Camissa so that should be good

Are you serious? I hated that guy. Juvenile. Either Love it or Hate it, nothing ever is in between. Reminds me of 5 year olds: "I hate peas!" "I love chocolate!"

Johnny boy isn't much better.

Motortrend seems to pitch their videos for 20 year olds that live in flyover states.

[Jaymax85]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

According to this YouTube video, MotorTrend were at the Nurburgring with an M4 CS.

Man that sounds great wonder if we can source a muffler for cheaper than an mpe

[ClothSeats]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

Given the M4 GTS can't compete with a 911S or GTS I can't imagine a CS is going to be able to complete very well.

The CS is supposed to be better than the (M4) GTS, according to reviews so far.

[shoei]

Originally Posted by HELLOimJ

Man that sounds great wonder if we can source a muffler for cheaper than an mpe

I don't understand why people keep saying the Comp Pack exhaust or the CS exhaust sounds great... It sounds like shit, and I know this is supposed to be subjective but there's no two ways about it - it sounds like shit... It's a lawnmower in surround sound... It could be because we've all endured three+ years of the F8x platform and the terrible sounds so have just gotten accustomed to it, but it's all terrible...

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by ClothSeats

The CS is supposed to be better than the (M4) GTS, according to reviews so far.

Potentially better as an overall package, but I doubt it will be faster around a track.

[dgp]

Originally Posted by Parabolica

All the same driver and date?

Same sport auto driver, not same day test though.
Also i think m4 cs hit 1.10x at hockenheim vs 1.08 for 911 gts so hard to see bmw getting close here.

[dgp]

Originally Posted by ClothSeats

The CS is supposed to be better than the (M4) GTS, according to reviews so far.

Maybe better reviews but slower at every track compared to m4 gts

[Jaymax85]

Originally Posted by shoei

I don't understand why people keep saying the Comp Pack exhaust or the CS exhaust sounds great... It sounds like shit, and I know this is supposed to be subjective but there's no two ways about it - it sounds like shit... It's a lawnmower in surround sound... It could be because we've all endured three+ years of the F8x platform and the terrible sounds so have just gotten accustomed to it, but it's all terrible...

I'm sorry u feel that way? Might be conceivable that others have differing taste than you? I actually like how my comp sounds

[Captain Unknown GT4]

Just a reminder. The M4 CS did 1.11min at extreme heat outside 30+ degrees...Please note that 991 GTS had cool optimum test conditions.

These things matter alot more than most on this site seems to understand. Anybody who drive alot on track and who Is used to datalogging will understand this Instant. Hence Its a reminder to also think of..the M4 CS would be much faster at hockenheim than 1.11. Much faster....but now Its like the CS Is only 1.11 what ever... Time fly by and later on this 1.11 will stick as the M4 reference time, but thats wrong as It was crap conditions for It but nobody will Remember later on. Anyway M4 CS Is a faster car here, It should sit maximum 1 seconds or even slightly less than 1 second vs M4 GTS here. M4 GTS had optimal temp driving hockenheim but CS far from.


Factory always test all cars at low optimal 12 degrees, then Its 7 seconds diff M4 CS vs M4 GTS on Nurburgring. I am pretty confident If M4 CS vs M4 GTS test same day cool temp on hockenheim Its should be like 1 sec difference between them cars or even slightly less on this short track.

Its just the same with M4 GTS sport auto ring lap at 7.37, It was driven 30 degrees and tarmac very hot, Its way off and M4 GTS at better temp will easy cut a few seconds If cooler temp out. But now It stick like glue M4 GTS only lap 7.37min sport auto test, but nobody know sport auto mention car did suffer bad due to termal load( very hot)
Its the same with M4 CS, It did suffer bad due to same termal load as very very hot driving conditions. Like Mallorca hot. Just a reminder...

That why one need to pay attention to what temp they drive, sure same driver and thats as god as It gets, but If he drive one day ar 35 degrees Mallorca style and the next day 12 degrees out and cool tarmac, thats several seconds on the ring and at least 1 at a shorter track.


Could also mention 992.2 GT3 PDK vs 991.2 GTS PDK, that new GT3 is a faster car vs GTS Porsche. But, sport auto test them different days(factory never do this, they do same conditions) and 991.2 GTS was only 1 tenths slower than 991.2 GT3 on hockenheim!! Now people In general never pay attention to details, and If the did they would know 991.2 GT3 did suffer bad due to very hot conditions, and 991.2 GTS super sweetspoot conditions.

The GT3 is a faster car, the guys In suits well dressed (boss guys) did decide that It should be a long time ago. And when Porsche factory lap them GT3 is faster as they drive cars same conditions../ same day.
991.2 GT3 1.07.9min vs 991.2 GTS 1.08.0 is just coincidence..

And lets not forget, even If a M4 CS and 991.2 GTS type of cars are wicked fast one lap, they will never be as consistent and sustainable as the typ GT3 / M4 GTS type of cars on track. But they do other things better, drive to Wallmart 4 persons type of thing. All god cars

Originally Posted by dgp

Same sport auto driver, not same day test though.
Also i think m4 cs hit 1.10x at hockenheim vs 1.08 for 911 gts so hard to see bmw getting close here.

[dgp]

Originally Posted by Captain Unknown GT4

Just a reminder. The M4 CS did 1.11min at extreme heat outside 30+ degrees...Please note that 991 GTS had cool optimum test conditions.

These things matter alot more than most on this site seems to understand. Anybody who drive alot on track and who Is used to datalogging will understand this Instant. Hence Its a reminder to also think of..the M4 CS would be much faster at hockenheim than 1.11. Much faster....but now Its like the CS Is only 1.11 what ever... Time fly by and later on this 1.11 will stick as the M4 reference time, but thats wrong as It was crap conditions for It but nobody will Remember later on. Anyway M4 CS Is a faster car here, It should sit maximum 1 seconds or even slightly less than 1 second vs M4 GTS here. M4 GTS had optimal temp driving hockenheim but CS far from.


Factory always test all cars at low optimal 12 degrees, then Its 7 seconds diff M4 CS vs M4 GTS on Nurburgring. I am pretty confident If M4 CS vs M4 GTS test same day cool temp on hockenheim Its should be like 1 sec difference between them cars or even slightly less on this short track.

Its just the same with M4 GTS sport auto ring lap at 7.37, It was driven 30 degrees and tarmac very hot, Its way off and M4 GTS at better temp will easy cut a few seconds If cooler temp out. But now It stick like glue M4 GTS only lap 7.37min sport auto test, but nobody know sport auto mention car did suffer bad due to termal load( very hot)
Its the same with M4 CS, It did suffer bad due to same termal load as very very hot driving conditions. Like Mallorca hot. Just a reminder...

That why one need to pay attention to what temp they drive, sure same driver and thats as god as It gets, but If he drive one day ar 35 degrees Mallorca style and the next day 12 degrees out and cool tarmac, thats several seconds on the ring and at least 1 at a shorter track.


Could also mention 992.2 GT3 PDK vs 991.2 GTS PDK, that new GT3 is a faster car vs GTS Porsche. But, sport auto test them different days(factory never do this, they do same conditions) and 991.2 GTS was only 1 tenths slower than 991.2 GT3 on hockenheim!! Now people In general never pay attention to details, and If the did they would know 991.2 GT3 did suffer bad due to very hot conditions, and 991.2 GTS super sweetspoot conditions.

The GT3 is a faster car, the guys In suits well dressed (boss guys) did decide that It should be a long time ago. And when Porsche factory lap them GT3 is faster as they drive cars same conditions../ same day.
991.2 GT3 1.07.9min vs 991.2 GTS 1.08.0 is just coincidence..

And lets not forget, even If a M4 CS and 991.2 GTS type of cars are wicked fast one lap, they will never be as consistent and sustainable as the typ GT3 / M4 GTS type of cars on track. But they do other things better, drive to Wallmart 4 persons type of thing. All god cars

Well even if the m4 cs is faster than 1.11 it is not faster than m4 gts 1.09:6 time which is still well slower than 1.08:0 911 gts time. 911.2 gts is also faster at every track than 911.1 GT3.

[JonnyM3]

Originally Posted by Captain Unknown GT4

Just a reminder. The M4 CS did 1.11min at extreme heat outside 30+ degrees...Please note that 991 GTS had cool optimum test conditions.

These things matter alot more than most on this site seems to understand. Anybody who drive alot on track and who Is used to datalogging will understand this Instant. Hence Its a reminder to also think of..the M4 CS would be much faster at hockenheim than 1.11. Much faster....but now Its like the CS Is only 1.11 what ever... Time fly by and later on this 1.11 will stick as the M4 reference time, but thats wrong as It was crap conditions for It but nobody will Remember later on. Anyway M4 CS Is a faster car here, It should sit maximum 1 seconds or even slightly less than 1 second vs M4 GTS here. M4 GTS had optimal temp driving hockenheim but CS far from.


Factory always test all cars at low optimal 12 degrees, then Its 7 seconds diff M4 CS vs M4 GTS on Nurburgring. I am pretty confident If M4 CS vs M4 GTS test same day cool temp on hockenheim Its should be like 1 sec difference between them cars or even slightly less on this short track.

Its just the same with M4 GTS sport auto ring lap at 7.37, It was driven 30 degrees and tarmac very hot, Its way off and M4 GTS at better temp will easy cut a few seconds If cooler temp out. But now It stick like glue M4 GTS only lap 7.37min sport auto test, but nobody know sport auto mention car did suffer bad due to termal load( very hot)
Its the same with M4 CS, It did suffer bad due to same termal load as very very hot driving conditions. Like Mallorca hot. Just a reminder...

That why one need to pay attention to what temp they drive, sure same driver and thats as god as It gets, but If he drive one day ar 35 degrees Mallorca style and the next day 12 degrees out and cool tarmac, thats several seconds on the ring and at least 1 at a shorter track.


Could also mention 992.2 GT3 PDK vs 991.2 GTS PDK, that new GT3 is a faster car vs GTS Porsche. But, sport auto test them different days(factory never do this, they do same conditions) and 991.2 GTS was only 1 tenths slower than 991.2 GT3 on hockenheim!! Now people In general never pay attention to details, and If the did they would know 991.2 GT3 did suffer bad due to very hot conditions, and 991.2 GTS super sweetspoot conditions.

The GT3 is a faster car, the guys In suits well dressed (boss guys) did decide that It should be a long time ago. And when Porsche factory lap them GT3 is faster as they drive cars same conditions../ same day.
991.2 GT3 1.07.9min vs 991.2 GTS 1.08.0 is just coincidence..

And lets not forget, even If a M4 CS and 991.2 GTS type of cars are wicked fast one lap, they will never be as consistent and sustainable as the typ GT3 / M4 GTS type of cars on track. But they do other things better, drive to Wallmart 4 persons type of thing. All god cars

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[Ilikemike]

Originally Posted by JonnyM3

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[Polo08816]

Originally Posted by Captain Unknown GT4

Just a reminder. The M4 CS did 1.11min at extreme heat outside 30+ degrees...Please note that 991 GTS had cool optimum test conditions.

These things matter alot more than most on this site seems to understand. Anybody who drive alot on track and who Is used to datalogging will understand this Instant. Hence Its a reminder to also think of..the M4 CS would be much faster at hockenheim than 1.11. Much faster....but now Its like the CS Is only 1.11 what ever... Time fly by and later on this 1.11 will stick as the M4 reference time, but thats wrong as It was crap conditions for It but nobody will Remember later on. Anyway M4 CS Is a faster car here, It should sit maximum 1 seconds or even slightly less than 1 second vs M4 GTS here. M4 GTS had optimal temp driving hockenheim but CS far from.


Factory always test all cars at low optimal 12 degrees, then Its 7 seconds diff M4 CS vs M4 GTS on Nurburgring. I am pretty confident If M4 CS vs M4 GTS test same day cool temp on hockenheim Its should be like 1 sec difference between them cars or even slightly less on this short track.

Its just the same with M4 GTS sport auto ring lap at 7.37, It was driven 30 degrees and tarmac very hot, Its way off and M4 GTS at better temp will easy cut a few seconds If cooler temp out. But now It stick like glue M4 GTS only lap 7.37min sport auto test, but nobody know sport auto mention car did suffer bad due to termal load( very hot)
Its the same with M4 CS, It did suffer bad due to same termal load as very very hot driving conditions. Like Mallorca hot. Just a reminder...

That why one need to pay attention to what temp they drive, sure same driver and thats as god as It gets, but If he drive one day ar 35 degrees Mallorca style and the next day 12 degrees out and cool tarmac, thats several seconds on the ring and at least 1 at a shorter track.


Could also mention 992.2 GT3 PDK vs 991.2 GTS PDK, that new GT3 is a faster car vs GTS Porsche. But, sport auto test them different days(factory never do this, they do same conditions) and 991.2 GTS was only 1 tenths slower than 991.2 GT3 on hockenheim!! Now people In general never pay attention to details, and If the did they would know 991.2 GT3 did suffer bad due to very hot conditions, and 991.2 GTS super sweetspoot conditions.

The GT3 is a faster car, the guys In suits well dressed (boss guys) did decide that It should be a long time ago. And when Porsche factory lap them GT3 is faster as they drive cars same conditions../ same day.
991.2 GT3 1.07.9min vs 991.2 GTS 1.08.0 is just coincidence..

And lets not forget, even If a M4 CS and 991.2 GTS type of cars are wicked fast one lap, they will never be as consistent and sustainable as the typ GT3 / M4 GTS type of cars on track. But they do other things better, drive to Wallmart 4 persons type of thing. All god cars

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Originally Posted by JonnyM3

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Originally Posted by Ilikemike

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