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      12-11-2013, 01:01 PM   #67
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sure all the numbers sounds nice but def. not worth the $90k+ price tag
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      12-11-2013, 01:02 PM   #68
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Is it me or are the rear indicator lights not LED? That seems like taking a step back.

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      12-11-2013, 01:08 PM   #69
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My M3 E92 had a MSRP of $60100, destination $925, and GGT of $1300. If the new M3/M4 are not going to get with GGT, it'll offset some of the price increase.

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      12-11-2013, 01:09 PM   #70
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I think Bimmerpost could just code a script bot that would post as the obligatory 335 owner:

"I've spent less...and it's going to be just as fast in a straight line...just wait until my M3 suspension swap and then..."

Thanks for your surprising contribution. At least the Xtranormal version of your commentary is good for a laugh or two.

Holy shit, we're on a forum and you're annoyed with someones opinion. Not everyone has to share the same opinion as you to voice it. If I feel that NOT spending the amount of cash that's going to need to be spent on this, and instead spending it on something that will be just as fast, cost half as much, and have my own personality, then so be it. I love my E92, but the M3/4 just isn't worth getting out of it.

Deal with it.
Maybe you could wait till you know what the new M3/M4 is all about before saying that it's not worth getting out of your E92!
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      12-11-2013, 01:13 PM   #71
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Is it me or are the rear indicator lights not LED? That seems like taking a step back.

Looks that way. I hope the LED Lighting Package adds it in rear lights
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      12-11-2013, 01:15 PM   #72
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I was thinking USD on that price and immediately got an erection....blue balls.
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Is it me or are the rear indicator lights not LED? That seems like taking a step back.

BMW must be saving it for the LCI..lol
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      12-11-2013, 01:18 PM   #74
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sure all the numbers sounds nice but def. not worth the $90k+ price tag
agreed, $90k is not something I'm interested in doing...and you know it will be over $100k once you add the necessary options to make it a luxury car. I was holding off on the 435i to see what the M4 pricing would be, but after seeing this...decision made, going with the 435i. Plenty of car for me and within the realm of reason. This M4 is almost supercar pricing...I'm sure someone will buy it and think it's worth it, but I don't drive on the track so no sale.
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      12-11-2013, 01:20 PM   #75
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Holy shit, we're on a forum and you're annoyed with someones opinion. Not everyone has to share the same opinion as you to voice it. If I feel that NOT spending the amount of cash that's going to need to be spent on this, and instead spending it on something that will be just as fast, cost half as much, and have my own personality, then so be it. I love my E92, but the M3/4 just isn't worth getting out of it.

Deal with it.
We are on the M3 and M4 forums, and I think many here are tired of the endless line of 335i owners claiming this, that and the other...

I'm sure the E92 General forums etc would be a better place to talk about the advantages of choosing a 335i and modifying it. In fact, there are dedicated forums for exactly that

If you went on a Ferrari forum and said that my Porsche 944 Turbo is a much better car than a 458, I'm also sure you would get some "feedback"

And when your budget 335i is faster than a M3 in every aspect (straight line, track, mountain roads etc). Then you can rightfully brag that your car is "cheaper, faster and has your personality". And it should also keep up lap after lap, just as long as the M3/M4 does.

A M car is more than just suspension and engine. Cooling systems, throttle response, transmission etc make up for a very different experience.

But that is besides the point. I agree with you that it can be just as (or even more) rewarding to modify your own car and create a sleeper. But it takes a bit more than just a chip and suspension to compare with a M
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      12-11-2013, 01:23 PM   #76
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Holy shit, we're on a forum and you're annoyed with someones opinion. Not everyone has to share the same opinion as you to voice it. If I feel that NOT spending the amount of cash that's going to need to be spent on this, and instead spending it on something that will be just as fast, cost half as much, and have my own personality, then so be it. I love my E92, but the M3/4 just isn't worth getting out of it.

Deal with it.
We are on the M3 and M4 forums, and I think many here are tired of the endless line of 335i owners claiming this, that and the other...

I'm sure the E92 General forums etc would be a better place to talk about the advantages of choosing a 335i and modifying it. In fact, there are dedicated forums for exactly that

If you went on a Ferrari forum and said that my Porsche 944 Turbo is a much better car than a 458, I'm also sure you would get some "feedback"

And when your budget 335i is faster than a M3 in every aspect (straight line, track, mountain roads etc). Then you can rightfully brag that your car is "cheaper, faster and has your personality". And it should also keep up lap after lap, just as long as the M3/M4 does.

A M car is more than just suspension and engine. Cooling systems, throttle response, transmission etc make up for a very different experience.

But that is besides the point. I agree with you that it can be just as (or even more) rewarding to modify your own car and create a sleeper. But it takes a bit more than just a chip and suspension to compare with a M
well said boss!
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      12-11-2013, 01:28 PM   #77
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Don't get to excited about the gas mileage, US Spec will probably get a 10 gallon gas tank marketed as a new feature......

The new M3/4's increased fuel economy has been paired with a new petroleum conscious fuel cell which reduces environmental exposure while increasing rear passenger space. In the continual pursuit of efficient dynamics the new fuel cell lowers the overall weight of the car by 50 lbs allowing for more precise handling and shorter stoping distances.
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      12-11-2013, 01:31 PM   #78
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BMW must be saving it for the LCI..lol
yes, they do this every gen... no surprise
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      12-11-2013, 01:43 PM   #79
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Man, this thing better drive like it's on rails! I've spent less then half the cash this thing will be worth, and it's going to be just as fast in a straight line (MT vs MT). Give me just a little more time to complete my M3 suspension swap, and my E92 may be just as dangerous.....
I can spend half of what you did and mod an E30 to be just as fast. I can also spend a quarter of what you did and modify a number of older Japanese cars that would be very fast. So what? You're still driving an older car. Look up "rationalization".

When you get up to the $70K price range, you are no longer bargain hunting for performance/dollar ratio.
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      12-11-2013, 01:44 PM   #80
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No it's not. I get 19 mpg in my M3 50/50% city/highway combined. That number is not city, it's combined MPG. So it's about 20-25% improvement. If you drive 10,000 miles/year, that's a savings of 650 gallons or so a year which comes to about $2500/year savings. Which is pretty good. That's basically $200/month more you save (which unfortunately will be an offset to the vehicle price)
There is no way in hell this car gets 25mpg US combined with normal real world driving. For one, start/stop is a gimmick that buys MPG from EPA and will likely be on the new cars.

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      12-11-2013, 01:49 PM   #81
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These cars will be pushing at least $90k loaded. Thats crazy.
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      12-11-2013, 01:51 PM   #82
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agreed, $90k is not something I'm interested in doing...and you know it will be over $100k once you add the necessary options to make it a luxury car. I was holding off on the 435i to see what the M4 pricing would be, but after seeing this...decision made, going with the 435i. Plenty of car for me and within the realm of reason. This M4 is almost supercar pricing...I'm sure someone will buy it and think it's worth it, but I don't drive on the track so no sale.
Fully loaded, the M4 will probably be around $80-85K in the US, and definitely not over $100K.
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      12-11-2013, 01:59 PM   #83
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Man, this thing better drive like it's on rails! I've spent less then half the cash this thing will be worth, and it's going to be just as fast in a straight line (MT vs MT). Give me just a little more time to complete my M3 suspension swap, and my E92 may be just as dangerous.....
I can spend half of what you did and mod an E30 to be just as fast. I can also spend a quarter of what you did and modify a number of older Japanese cars that would be very fast. So what? You're still driving an older car. Look up "rationalization".

When you get up to the $70K price range, you are no longer bargain hunting for performance/dollar ratio.
Yea you can purpose build a miata for 10k to be faster around most tracks. Or a kit car for all tracks. Or an mitsu evo or etc etc.

Comparing a 335 awd you modded is not the same. Awd and rwd drives diff and awd of course will have a 0-60 advantage.

Hell my 8 year old Sti has a 0-60 of 4.2-4.6. That didn't prevent me from buying my e92 m3.
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Fully loaded, the M4 will probably be around $80-85K in the US, and definitely not over $100K.
CC brakes alone are probably $6-8k. I think fully loaded it'll be very close to $90k, not $100k.
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Fully loaded, the M4 will probably be around $80-85K in the US, and definitely not over $100K.
2015 F82 M4: Starting at £56,653
http://www.poundstodollars.co.uk/

unless I'm missing something....the currency conversion says this vehicle starts at $91k usd.
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active sound is lame. but little flappy thing on exhaust to make it louder in different drive modes is pretty awesome.

i'm assuming the backlit m logos will only be on when you're getting in and out of the car like the dome lights? it wouldn't make sense burning a hole in your back while you're driving.

all-in-all, i'm interested to see how all these gadgets come together. it could help to further differentiate the experience of the m3 to the normal 3 series.

i know performance is king, but i think with the modern m3, the driving experience is also part of the package. hopefully not at the expense of performance though.
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Man, this thing better drive like it's on rails! I've spent less then half the cash this thing will be worth, and it's going to be just as fast in a straight line (MT vs MT). Give me just a little more time to complete my M3 suspension swap, and my E92 may be just as dangerous.....
back to the kid's table you go
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CC brakes alone are probably $6-8k. I think fully loaded it'll be very close to $90k, not $100k.
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