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It's exciting to hear, IMO. If we can infer anything concrete about the statement, I think it would be that the new M3/M4 would have more oversteer tendencies when compared to the outgoing E9x models. When reviewers and test drivers comment on how much skill is required to drive a car, they're usually referring to two things: 1) how willing the car is to oversteer, and 2) how quickly the oversteer comes on. Some cars require you to go to great lengths to get oversteer. Some cars, when you do begin to oversteer, they "snap" on you, which results in a spin. We'll have to wait for actual driven reviews to find out for sure, but I hope this car is balanced a little more toward oversteer, as that usually means more driver fun and engagement.
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01-16-2014, 04:14 PM | #47 |
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That was some great marketing by the BMW employee
I think the reality is that with electronic aids on, it will make everyone feel like a super star, and with the electronic aids off it will require some attention, like all RWD cars with a decent amount of power This isn't a 3000lb, 600hp mid engine, RWD car with no electronic assistance... in a lot of ways, this is like a full bolt ons N54 car with a lot of suspension mods and LSD.. those aren't crazily challenging to drive... it will be ok if everyone experiments with the electronic aids off in an area with some runofff first |
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01-16-2014, 04:42 PM | #49 |
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I'm guessing this quote was missed by all:
“The M3’s turbos are actually smaller than the turbos in the N54HP—the 1 Series M Coupe engine.” This is going to rain on the parades of many. I guess it comes down to whether its just the compressor sides or both sides. The turbos on the N54 could make a lot more power if the exhaust sides were larger with better turbine wheels.
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Lol at "hearsay" and "speculation". Its true with massive power that low that it will take even more refinement to drive. Whats so wrong with this comment??
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Makes sense. FBO N54s make 400+ to the wheels. I have driven both an M3 and a FBO 335 on the track and I can honestly say the M3 is easier. The power delivery is A LOT more predictable. I know my 335 like the back of my hand but still I am surprised when it does and doesn't make boost. Like sometimes I will slightly let off the gas in one spot on one lap and not the next. This completely changes when boost comes in because the turbos stop spinning. It's pretty interesting and I am looking forward to seeing how the new Ms feel on the track. -Mike
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PR bullshit. The car isn't much faster than the E92 (10sec/lap faster on the Nordschleife), and I'm sure that's with the ridiculous $9k CCB pack (which is stupid). The engine has a lot more torque, which would probably break traction a bit more easily. That's all that probably means. But that really is stupid, because I'm sure the nanny systems step in the instant that happens.
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What it sounds like to me is that BMW might have dialed in some Porsche (997) 911 type tendencies which if you ask Porsche enthusiasts, makes the 911 more endearing, different and challenging. It's a stretch but who knows since they won't let anyone drive the damn thing. Before I have to put on a flame suit on, I'm NOT SAYING IT'S GONNA BE A 911 but the comment is interesting. Especially when you consider all the torque this thing is gonna have on tap. Of all the things that I find wrong with the rollout of these cars, THAT comment has me intrigued the most.
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If more than just show babbling I can see two very different reasons:
1: The throttle is touchy with an immediate very powerful response. ( Awesome ) 2: Throttle lag making it hard to modulate. I.e due to no/delayed response you push the throttle deeper than required for the power you intend ( Not awesome ). |
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It would be really cool if BMW offered the free 2-day driving school to ///M3 owners like they did in '08/09. That was such a fun trip!
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Yeah I wish BMW did something similar to what AMG does. Whenever you purchase or lease a new AMG, you get one free trip to an AMG Driving Academy track session of your choosing. Laguna Seca and the Circuit of the Americas are just a few of the track choices available.
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They sure did. Between that, and the 0.9%/1.9% interest rates, BMW really made the E9X easy to acquire.
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In sports+ the instant rush of torque due to the turbines constantly spinning could lead to trouble. Disable dsc and DTc and u might find a few f8x at the bottom of cliffs
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Cars today are ridiculously fast. The new M3 with all its torque will surely be a tail happy treat for most of us, but in the wrong hands will wind up wrapped around a tree. I think all companies that sell performance cars today should include a complimentary driving school. From a safety standpoint, to help the customers gain some skill and understanding of what you don't want to do on the street, and from a marketing standpoint to develop deeper, longer lasting more profitable relationships with their customers. Hell, even make it a low cost option for CPO buyers.
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I think us n54 owners that have tracked our cars will have a smooth transition. Lack of LSD , soft bushings especially in the rear are what stand out to me at higher boost levels.
M cars, f80 have some nice tech, lighter, etc, etc. Might even be easier to handle at the limit for this crowd.
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