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06-14-2014, 12:18 PM | #221 | |
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The Ring is being resurfaced constantly, to compensate for wear and tear. In some places the profile (shape) of the surface has been significantly changed for safety, to reduce the tendency for faster cars to take off. Sabine? Sabine who? Oh wait. You were being sarcastic. Helpful..... I thought we were trying to be objective? |
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It's obvious that you love your E9X. It's a great car. Why are you so concerned with justifying its performance relative to an F8X? You seem overly emotionally vested in 'proving' that the performance is close between the two cars (..when to most it's pretty obvious that the F8X is a significantly better performer). |
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Wait a minute! Did someone say the same guy drove the E92 in 2007 and the new F82 in 2014? I contest that, as it is a well known fact that human being's reflects and hand-eye coordination deteriorate as they age, the new F82's 'Ring time would actually be faster if it was driven by the same driver in 2007. At least 10 seconds give or take 8 seconds.
Someone bring that 2007 guy to 2014 and have him do the lap in a F82.
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In fact, I had a 1988 Pontiac firefly at one point. That thing was so light that I bet those 3 cylinders could easily get a 7:30 at the 'Ring. Don't bother arguing with me. I can always create more variables and hypotheticals to further solidify my self-certainty. It is just how amazing I am and my cars are/were. Best combination I have ever met. Just ask me. Or, put another way, you'd be better off doing this than feeding the trolls: |
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Probably because you started adding unreasonable components to an otherwise fairly reasonable debate. The discussion then becomes circular, so there is no point in continuing down a reasonable path. At this point we might as well all pull our units out, put socks on them, wiggle our hips around and play 'helicopter' (..all while arguing about length versus girth and ethnic predispositions). |
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I have Tony, thanks for asking. I'm a regular track go-er in fact, who has met quite a few members here, though have only made one extended visit to the "Ring" so am far from an expert expert there. You need to realize time marches on and also learn to lighten up before rudely calling people clueless and making yourself look silly.
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New bitumen, older driver, track temperature etc are all variables that can influence a lap time. But the same arguments can be used to argue that the E9x lap time was done under more favourable circumstances... Which leaves us with so many questions and unknowns/variables that it's really impossible to make a "reasonable" case for much more than the 13s gap we actually have documented! |
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The rest of your post is just proving my point about sarcasm. So why can you not accept that the valid point of comparison is a late DCT E92 ZCP against the F8x in any spec? A genuine comparison would be back to back on the same day. 13 seconds is an illusion, just like the claimed weight savings. Maybe some can claim/believe that 13 seconds quicker around the Ring is worth saying goodbye to one of the best and most charismatic engines ever made. It is a rather less convincing argument if the difference is just 5 seconds. |
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What we have isn't what you prefer, we have a early E92 vs a early F82. It's just as valid to say that this is also a very valid comparison! Back to back on the same day would be absolutely the best we could get 13s is an illusion? Didn't you talk about a "reasonable" debate??? 13s is NOT an illusion. That is the difference between the two Supertest times and you can't argue that that is an illusion... Not sure why you feel the need to justify your own M3 as much as you do? |
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Just because the F8X is faster, has better handling, way more usable torque, better interior and better brakes does not mean it is a better car for you or that you need to argue why the improvements are not enough for you to change. The E92 is a stellar car... enjoy it... but no need to spend hours debating hypothetical adjustments to the only real data available simply to try to prove that the F8X isn't a worthy upgrade. It is and will be for most current M3 owners. Whether it is for you or not is another matter. No need to justify... if you love the E92 engine, etc then fantastic. Enjoy it!! Also keep in mind that in 98% of driving, the F8X will be much improved as what really matters then is the car you live with daily (inside) and the torque and usable power. Having said that, even on a track I think it is shown the F8X is a real improvement and those who review it and have driven both confirm. As it should be for a new generation car. As I have already said in another thread, I really LOVED my E92 M3 ZCP but after driving the F80 M3 last week (albeit short and not on a track) my opinion is that the F8X is a meaningful improvement in a lot of ways... but that takes nothing away from the stellar car the E92 was and is.
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Sorry normally you have insightful stuff but really? Is DCT better around an 8 minute track than a 6 speed when even in a short straight line race the dct makes noticeable difference?
The same thing the e46 could have said? Really? The e92 initial test car used a manual gear box available to the car, base steel brakes of the car and the bone stock differential and equipment. So your logic is saying that at the end of the e46 life cycle, they and an e92 upgraded differential to put on the e46, they had all aluminum suspension upgrades to the e46 and whatever other nonsense you talked about. The fact is the e46 was with its base set of equipment and compared to the e92 with its base set of equipment. It ran with apples to apples comparison. Adding a 7th gear, 2 clutches and automation to the process obviously adds a huge advantage and since the e92 came with a dct but the test didn't use it, its absurd to say that is anything like comparing an e92 to an e46 testing times. Really? Just silly post Quote:
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Keep reading the following posts
But, hey, isn't everyone entitled to silly posts now and again? Not that I don't stand by my post... just saying
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Man your posts have gotten really bad. "more usable torque" and the fact that 98 percent of the time will have more usable torque around the city" really has absolutely zero to do with talking lap times in a thread about lap times. There is no such thing as usable torque when your doing a lap. Your at peak power of your cars engine and you compare peak power for peak power.
Now if you want to go post in the "the f80 is quicker stop light to stop light or around town if you don't want to shift gears " post than you have a winner with your comments. Otherwise its absurd you cant even recognize the obvious. To conclude 1-you believe dct has no advantage over an 8 mile track. Ok great. 2-You don't feel 40 pound lighter carbon brakes matter on a rough track like the ring. All that weight not ben damped by the suspension and not needing to control those 40 unsprung pounds will hugely help with grip on a rough track, then there is the 40 rotational pounds aspect of simply acceleration of the car, and than face resistance may be a smaller part on 1 lap but may or may not help on this one lap. Ok got it-those don't matter to you 3.The f80 has more usable torque around town so than it must have a 13 second lead over the e92 on the ring. Got it. If you simply feel dct is worth nothing over 6 speed, PSS tires are worth nothing over cup Plus which are NOT Michelin CUPs, 40 pound lighter carbon brakes do nothing with control of suspension on rough or change in elevation tracks or rotational weight component, than we really have nothing else to discuss. Agree to disagree Quote:
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Sport Auto and Auto Motor & Sport tested the MT and DCT and achieved allmost exactly identical times. Both did 0-100km/h in 4,2s for instance. Just sayin |
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He'll say they didn't know how to drive the DCT. |
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