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      02-19-2014, 01:17 AM   #199
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Why isn't keyless entry a stand alone option!?! That zec package is a waste.. Heated steering wheel on an M.. Are u serious?

Also.. Last generation extended leather was the leather that went all around the dash/glove area, and full was just the regular leather.. Sooooo have they decided to switch up the terminology?...
For the last two months every day I wished my M3 had heated steering wheel.
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      02-19-2014, 01:33 AM   #200
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Total $77816

I love the standard equipment that comes with the car. Like all of us, I'm not happy about the Executive package. All I want is HUD and CA. I'd like to have full leather but I want to keep it under $80K and overall I prefer the HUD and CA to lots of leather. I'm going to try the Speed Cloth.

Now, I need to get rid of my F30 or be very patient and wait til August 2015.
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      02-19-2014, 02:10 AM   #201
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Price are sooo cheap in the state..
It would prob go for sale like US$160k++ here in Indonesia.
hmmmm.... oh well I'd stop complaining...
& need to get rid of my F30 soon & F80 here i come.
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      02-19-2014, 04:36 AM   #202
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Was looking through the order guide and was curious about how much is now standard on the F8x compared to my 2008 E90 M3. Some were part of packages but I think this whole list was optional, now standard.

2MD M Drive
302 Anti-theft alarm system
319 Universal garage-door opener
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465 Split fold-down-rear seat
494 Heated front seats
4MC Carbon Fiber Interior Trim
609 Navigation system
653 HD Radio
6AK BMW Online and BMW Apps (not available in 2008)
6NH Hands-free Bluetooth and USB audio connection
Fixed.
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      02-19-2014, 04:38 AM   #203
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      02-19-2014, 05:03 AM   #204
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The "nickel and dime" has begun:

- Nav is standard but $500 for 6NS. In the F30, 6NS is part of the Nav.
- Executive Package mixes Premium, Driver and Cold Packages in one, like it or not, making this package more expensive than picking and choosing which one fits the budget and the purpose.
- The "Full" Leather gives leather-covered top of the dash and the top of the doors in exchange of removing the leather on the center console sides and top (compared with the old "Extended" leather in the E9X M3) for an additional $1600. The $3600 option now is as expensive as the old Individual interior in the E9X M3, so the expectation is that Individual would be much more expensive than that now.
- No Jet Black, so the only dark color is optional at $550. Anything else would be Individual. Again
- All these price increases and no Competition Package at a premium yet.

The $100,000 M3/M4 with hard plastics is near.
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      02-19-2014, 05:44 AM   #205
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3 things that i dont like:

1. Exterior colors really SUCK
2. Rearview camera is part of $4,300 package. Its standard on most hondas and Toyotas nowadays.....i need this badly for parking in NYC but not for over $4k
3. DCT at $2,900 is steep - pure profit here for BMW, should be about $1,300.
DCT was $2900 on the E9X M3, no real reason for them to lower the price. Plus, BMW says it's a newer gen of DCT


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Kills me that retractable headlight washers are part of the executive package. So now were forced to have those hideous washers on the front bumper if we want anything in the executive package? Like comfort access or HUD, or heated rear seats.

That's trash. I really hope BMW offers a headlight washer delete option.
Agreed. I always order mine with heated seats/steering wheel but no CWP/headlight washers. I think they look ugly and I would never want them squirting.

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It's standard.


You're thinking of standard cruise control. Active cruise control is where the car basically drives itself. This may never come to the M3/M4, as it requires a fair bit of equipment installed in the front door, which the M3/M4 design may not accomodate.
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      02-19-2014, 06:20 AM   #206
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I know for a fact my local mn dealership never negotiated on ED - 6% discount was it. How much more below do people get? Another 1-2%
My guess is I'll have to go out of state or at least have a quote from someone else.
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      02-19-2014, 06:32 AM   #207
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Why surprised? It has been pretty obvious that it would be based on other order sheets. It's nice to have solid U.S. numbers though.
Yeah it was suspected as n/c on the order sheets, but I'm still surprised BMW didn't charge for it like they did with the E90/92 having the std. silver grey trim and charging $500 for an upgraded trim.
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      02-19-2014, 06:40 AM   #208
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Fixed.
MDrive was definitely made standard at some point, Technic. I believe it was in 2011.

Now, what is new is that you get iDrive standard and thus more flexible MDrive configurability out of the box. This includes Servotronic settings which was not available in the non-iDrive MDrive that was standard on the E9x M3, and that meant that such cars did not have the Servotronic Sport program.

Also, fold down rear seats have always been standard in the coupe.

Another new feature is Dynamic Cruise Control. The old E9x has the standard cruise control with no braking function and no speed-resume on shift completion.

The CF roof is new standard equipment for the sedan.

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You're thinking of standard cruise control. Active cruise control is where the car basically drives itself.
Yes, he's mistaken. FWIW, the standard cruise is actually Dynamic Cruise Control now, which is technically one level up from the base cruise control system (that isn't offered in the US even for the F3x).

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This may never come to the M3/M4, as it requires a fair bit of equipment installed in the front door, which the M3/M4 design may not accomodate.
I think it may be more about their historical data and feedback telling them that the take rate for these types of options is low when it comes to an M3 or M4.
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      02-19-2014, 07:01 AM   #209
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Yeah it was suspected as n/c on the order sheets, but I'm still surprised BMW didn't charge for it like they did with the E90/92 having the std. silver grey trim and charging $500 for an upgraded trim.
I was a bit surprised too. It would seem to have followed logically with the decision to continue to charge for metallic paint. The difference with the paint, I suppose, would be that if you make it standard then AW becomes a no-charge option, because they obviously aren't going to delete the color altogether. That would mean that AW buyers subsidize the metallic colors for the rest of us, which would likely cause some level of displeasure and backlash. In the case of the trim, they simply deleted the base option from the list altogether because they figure no one would choose to go with the down-level plastic trim when they are getting CF, aluminum or wood included in the base price.

The base, plastic E9x M3 trim was called Titanium Shadow by the way, and the base, plastic F8x trim (that we don't get in the US) is called Blue Shadow. See the trend? The thing is, while Titanium shadow looks hopelessly like tacky fake metal, the Blue Shadow - based on the UK visualizer, anyway - actually looks pretty good. I'd choose it over CF if given the choice. Although I would very likely install the M Performance matte CF trim in the end anyway, assuming I can figure out what to do with the gaudy Alcantara dash piece with the logo on it.
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      02-19-2014, 07:03 AM   #210
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I was a bit surprised too. It would see to go right along with the decision to charge for metallic paint. The difference, I suppose, would be that then AW becomes a no-charge option, because they aren't going to delete the color altogether obviously. That would mean that AW buyers subsidize the paint for the rest of us, which would likely cause some level of displeasure and backlash. In this case of the trim, they simply deleted the base option from the list altogether because they figure no one will miss it because no one would delete go with the down-level plastic trim over CF, aluminum or wood.

The base E9x M3 trim was called Titanium Shadow by the way, and the base F8x trim (that we don't get in the US) is called Blue Shadow. See the trend?

The thing is, while Titanium shadow looks hopeless like tacky fake metal, the Blue Shadow - base on the UK visualizer, anyway - actually looks pretty good. I'd choose it over CF if given the choice. Although I would very likely install the M Performance matte CF trim in the end anyway, assuming I can figure what to do with the gaudy Alcantara dash piece with the logo on it.
Do you think they will eventually offer the Piano Black individual trim in the US? I wonder if any countries w/ LHD get that option.
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      02-19-2014, 07:06 AM   #211
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M4 Coupe $64,200
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Dump the carbon brake kit and the car is still $70,600. I think I'd prefer a Cayman or Corvette, but it's fun to consider the options!
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Does anyone know BMW will offer loyalty incentive on these new M3/M4? Also im qualify for their $1000 graduate incentive as im graduating soon.

So im aiming approx ED price - $1750( graduate and loyalty)

Does this sound possible?
As far as loyalty I believe it's up to each dealer.. I'm getting that plus the USAA military discount which could be up to 2K.. I would ask your CA but I don't see why you wouldn't..
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M3-62000.00
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DEST. HDLG.-925.00

Subtotal-79,150.00 x tax =6628.81
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MDrive was definitely made standard at some point, Technic. I believe it was in 2011.

Now, what is new is that you get iDrive standard and thus more flexible MDrive configurability out of the box. This includes Servotronic settings which was not available in the non-iDrive MDrive that was standard on the E9x M3, and that meant that such cars did not have the Servotronic Sport program.

Also, fold down rear seats have always been standard in the coupe.

Another new feature is Dynamic Cruise Control. The old E9x has the standard cruise control with no braking function and no speed-resume on shift completion.

The CF roof is new standard equipment for the sedan.



Yes, he's mistaken. FWIW, the standard cruise is actually Dynamic Cruise Control now, which is technically one level up from the base cruise control system (that isn't offered in the US even for the F3x).



I think it may be more about their historical data and feedback telling them that the take rate for these types of options is low when it comes to an M3 or M4.
I think it was added as a non-iDrive option in the 2011.5 revision. Something else added in 2011.75. I was unaware that it was a free standard option though. That's pretty cool.
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Kills me that retractable headlight washers are part of the executive package. So now were forced to have those hideous washers on the front bumper if we want anything in the executive package? Like comfort access or HUD, or heated rear seats.

That's trash. I really hope BMW offers a headlight washer delete option.
100% agree! Give us a headlight washer delete option!

Also maybe I am remembering wrong but in the past wasn't the headlight washer tied to the windshield washer button? Is that the case here? It would suck if it went off every time I needed to clean my windshield.
It is but you can code off the headlamp washers. I did on my e92m
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As far as loyalty I believe it's up to each dealer.. I'm getting that plus the USAA military discount which could be up to 2K.. I would ask your CA but I don't see why you wouldn't..
My dealer said there wasn't any loyalty incentives when I put down my deposit. He said this may change prior to signing.
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My dealer said there wasn't any loyalty incentives when I put down my deposit. He said this may change prior to signing.
Like I mentioned it may just depend on the dealer.. I have a close relationship and buy a lot of cars from mine.. I was assured of mine by my CA and the GM..
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      02-19-2014, 07:39 AM   #218
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Do you think they will eventually offer the Piano Black individual trim in the US? I wonder if any countries w/ LHD get that option.
Canada gets it. I believe in an earlier discussion (perhaps with you?) I asserted that Piano Black was not among the Individual wood trims available in Canada. However, I was wrong - it's right there on the option sheet.

The nice thing about interior trim is that it is relatively easy to change. Now, I don't know how much Piano Black trim will cost you at retail. I imagine it isn't cheap. I'd guess $1200 or so, but that's just a SWAG.

I don't know if the US will ever get the Individual options we've seen available elsewhere for this car. I'd give it 50/50. In the past I would have said "No way!", but they seem to be offering these on more and more US models over the past few years. On the downside, it could be argued that the polarizing paint choices and full leather option aesthetics were designed to push you toward Individual. Over time, they could be grooming the buying audience to simply accept the high costs of an Individual-ized car as a matter of standard practice. For my part I will fight being assimilated.
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      02-19-2014, 07:41 AM   #219
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MDrive was definitely made standard at some point, Technic. I believe it was in 2011.

Now, what is new is that you get iDrive standard and thus more flexible MDrive configurability out of the box. This includes Servotronic settings which was not available in the non-iDrive MDrive that was standard on the E9x M3, and that meant that such cars did not have the Servotronic Sport program.

Also, fold down rear seats have always been standard in the coupe.

Another new feature is Dynamic Cruise Control. The old E9x has the standard cruise control with no braking function and no speed-resume on shift completion.

The CF roof is new standard equipment for the sedan.
OP was comparing the F80 M3 with the 2008 E90 M3.

Other F80 M3 standard equipment that was not present in the 2008 M3 is - BMW Assist (now for 10 years vs. 4 years option in 2008).
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Canada gets it. I believe in an earlier discussion (perhaps with you?) I asserted that Piano Black was not among the Individual wood trims available in Canada. However, I was wrong - it's right there on the option sheet.

The nice thing about interior trim is that it is relatively easy to change. Now, I don't know how much Piano Black trim will cost you at retail. I imagine it isn't cheap. I'd guess $1200 or so, but that's just a SWAG.
Yeah I priced out swapping Aluminum for CL on my E90 at the dealer and it was just under $1200. Ended up grabbing it from a forum member for $400. I'm sure there will be some who didn't have the CF standard option who want it. Hopefully I can trade or something.
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