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So i say if you guys are looking at 450 or more, BMW can make it but will just leave the job to aftermarkets for warranty trouble. |
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Sure BMW can aim all per liter things on 3er 5er 7ers, my guess is Mer is not made for being good at per things.
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02-02-2013, 07:39 AM | #183 |
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This is still very speculative. We don't know what the induction setup will look like yet other than that it will feature more than one turbocharger.
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02-02-2013, 10:59 AM | #184 |
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3.0L sounds weak. I am all for innovation and evolution, but give us something that can be worked with. I'm sure it can be modded, but how much more power can you get out of that little 3.0L without changing turbos and building the block. HPF s54 seems more appealing than this, power wise.
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02-02-2013, 02:41 PM | #186 |
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Your right. I have been thinking about it, and I think I was still imagining it with a 8.4k redline. That would make sense not having a higher hp number, but lots more torque, and a lower red line.
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02-02-2013, 03:47 PM | #188 |
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I sincerely believe that the best recent M car since long time was 1M and that was the reason why I chose it over every other thing despite admiring the E9X M3. In fact, I was closer to buy a Boxster Spyder if 1M wouldn't be available. If BMW M division were able to rush up a "parts bin" car to this point of brilliance and fun I think we have all the reasons to be optimistic about the next M3 since it is benefiting from a much longer and thorough development process compared to the 1M which I consider as its principal test mule anyway.
But you never know, it may not succeed to go far beyond the mule or it may simply miss something essential while trying to please everyone everywhere. We have to wait and see if BMW will make the right calls about its "It Car". I have no doubt that it will be the most controversial and much debated M3 to date merely because of its engine vs. its predecessor's.
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Everything nowadays is bigger, heavier and more powerful.. but do the math and not much speed been gained. Power to weight is everything. I'd take an E30 M3 over many new "fast cars" the weight to power was a key there. BMW targeting the weight of E46 in the F8x is brilliant, I don't care about the horsepower being the same, the car will be considerably faster.
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+1 If the new M car is a lighter, more fuel-efficient, better looking and more powerful version of the stock 1M, then it will be a very VERY fun car to drive. It will be an improved 1M for the masses. And yes, as someone else said, alot of people will be unhappy about that - fortunately they can buy something NA from Ferrari instead. But it begs another question. What will power the M2 then? Ie the successor to the 1M. A de-tuned version of the S55? If so, it will be the first time that the only major improvement we see moving into a new M is better fuel-efficiency. At least on paper. Oh, and by the way, how can someone fully appreciate the fun qualities of the 1M, and in the same sentence say they were close to buying something as clinical as a Boxter? |
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Lazy @ lower revs, bad brakes stock on trackdays , and minimal 300 pounds too heavy....my former E90 M3 was quite a bit of fun but doesn't come close to the 1M in many many many fun/sporty/hooliganic areas. I hope the next M3 will be more of a grown up 1M than a E9x M3 revival or a mini F10 M5... Boxster and Caymans are more than great cars but I still prefer the 991. I think(?) We'll see. Cheers Robin |
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02-03-2013, 04:35 AM | #192 |
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Too true!
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Well I like brunettes as well as blondes, never thought that was a problem. So, something like that
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New M3 is more suitable for people comming from a very big 5 series ///M5. Then the M3 and M4 slots nicely in.
But the new M3 will be far from a E30 or E36 and even the E46 M3. You need the 1M or maybe in the future the M2 for that. The wheelbase of the new 3 series coupe is large. Too large if youre going to compare it to the E36 and E46 models for nice agile driving! I also have owned an E90 M3. Nice engine but the car is to heavy and to big for agile handling. New M3 will be even bigger. You do the math. If youre in search of a smaller M5 then the new m3 is yours. If youre in search for a E36 and E46 ///M you need to wait for the M2. |
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The current M3 (E92/E93) is "far from a E30 or E36". Fast and sounds good, sure. But certainly overweight, and not agile. The F80 will probably just continue this trend. But that is what the market obviously wants. Hey, there's still making Miatas |
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Sam go test drive a 1M Coupe. Then we talk again.
Levi an i4 Turbo could be nice if they can get the numbers HP and NM of what an 1M coupe has atm. And even less turbo lag please. For agilily this will be better. But i think it s better to go for a tuned down N55 from the M3. A 4 cil the turbo need do to more work so could be more lag. That s also not what you want. You need a nice 6 cil engine which does al the hard work and let a little turbo help out from low down. |
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