How much is freight and PDI in Canada on 2015 M3?

[SSM46mt]

Originally Posted by Soundstream

I won't reveal the details of my deal, but speak with someone at Endras BMW (Mayur, Matthew, or Jay). They should be able to do a lot better than what you have been quoted.

PM me if you want any more details.

pm sent

[Balzz]

This bullshit with mystery deals is why I can't wait for Tesla's model to disrupt the rest of the industry.

[SSM46mt]

Originally Posted by Balzz

This bullshit with mystery deals is why I can't wait for Tesla's model to disrupt the rest of the industry.

i agree there is no reason not share info other than to make dealers keep more margins

[Ggeezer]

Originally Posted by Freddy's 335xi

i agree there is no reason not share info other than to make dealers keep more margins

If you've been a member of BMW Canada Clubs (in Toronto, it would be Trillium) for over 12 months, you're also eligible for an additional 2% discount added to the price you negotiated (http://www.bmwclub.ca).

You can also check out unhaggle.com for the dealer's invoice report.

[Ggeezer]

Originally Posted by Freddy's 335xi

i was quoted for M4 factory order to GTA

$399 vehicle care package ???
$1,595 PDI
$985 freight
$395 Admin ???
$299 global registration ???
$65 Nitrogen ???

don't know what half the stuff is

$3738 + $100 air conditioning tax

The vehicle care package, global registration and nitrogen fees can be easily eliminated. Nothing you can do about the $100 A/C tax as that's a federal requirement.

PDI seems a little high. Again, try building a car on the bmw.ca configurator and you'll see the freight & pdi charges and expected dealer admin fees.

Freight & PDI should be $2,095 and dealer reg. about $579. Although you could probably negotiate the latter, especially if you're not financing through the dealer. I also had to pay the $100 A/C tax and $12 tire tax.

[jkwan18]

Hey guys in the GTA, can you recommend someone? Looking to purchase in the next few weeks.

[TdotE90]

Originally Posted by jkwan18

Hey guys in the GTA, can you recommend someone? Looking to purchase in the next few weeks.

Go to javin or jay wong at endras bmw. Tell them Tian send you. They will take care of you

[SSM46mt]

Originally Posted by CASM3

The vehicle care package, global registration and nitrogen fees can be easily eliminated. Nothing you can do about the $100 A/C tax as that's a federal requirement.

PDI seems a little high. Again, try building a car on the bmw.ca configurator and you'll see the freight & pdi charges and expected dealer admin fees.

Freight & PDI should be $2,095 and dealer reg. about $579. Although you could probably negotiate the latter, especially if you're not financing through the dealer. I also had to pay the $100 A/C tax and $12 tire tax.

thanks

[twboy1999]

looks like there are quite a discrepancy among the dealers.
this is what maranello bmw quoted me

PDI $1295
Freight $985
Registration Fee $495
Care care Pkg $349
Ontario tire fees $23.36
air tax $100
nitrogen $75
OMVIC fee $5

total = $3327

[pyceasyas123]

Originally Posted by jkwan18

Hey guys in the GTA, can you recommend someone? Looking to purchase in the next few weeks.

Originally Posted by TdotE90

Go to javin or jay wong at endras bmw. Tell them Tian send you. They will take care of you

+1 for Jay. Bought from him as well. Tell him Paul said hi.

[Soundstream]

Originally Posted by pyceasyas123

+1 for Jay. Bought from him as well. Tell him Paul said hi.

Or if you prefer British accents, speak to Mayur or Matthew. Tell them Ian sent you.

[Tacoma]

Originally Posted by Freddy's 335xi

i was quoted for M4 factory order to GTA

$399 vehicle care package ???
$1,595 PDI
$985 freight
$395 Admin ???
$299 global registration ???
$65 Nitrogen ???

don't know what half the stuff is

$3738 + $100 air conditioning tax

Originally Posted by Soundstream

I won't reveal the details of my deal, but speak with someone at Endras BMW (Mayur, Matthew, or Jay). They should be able to do a lot better than what you have been quoted.

PM me if you want any more details.

How do you know from Freddy's post you got a better deal? At the end of the day, what matters is the final total negotiated price.

Sometimes prices are negotiated on a final price basis and then the dealer just plugs in the standard numbers (e.g., standard freight & PDI) working backwards to make the invoice add up to the final negotiated number.

One dealer may charge you less PDI but they also might give you less of a discount. So to me, it doesn't matter how the numbers add up, rather it's the bottom line that counts - that is, how much money are you out of pocket out the door.

[Soundstream]

Originally Posted by Tacoma

How do you know from Freddy's post you got a better deal? At the end of the day, what matters is the final total negotiated price.

Sometimes prices are negotiated on a final price basis and then the dealer just plugs in the standard numbers (e.g., standard freight & PDI) working backwards to make the invoice add up to the final negotiated number.

One dealer may charge you less PDI but they also might give you less of a discount. So to me, it doesn't matter how the numbers add up, rather it's the bottom line that counts - that is, how much money are you out of pocket out the door.

That is definitely true, but generally speaking, dealers who are adding in and overcharging for those types of fees are not going to be super aggressive on the MSRP discount.

If he was quoted under invoice pricing, then he might be getting the better deal overall. But given the fact that he is unsure of what the add on fees even mean, I don't get the impression that he was able to negotiate a deal under invoice. If he was, then good for him!

Of course if a trade in is involved, then all bets are off as it becomes impossible to compare.

But regardless, there is more to a deal than just the numbers. I deal with my CA because of who he is, how he operates, and how he helps me out after the sales process is done. If Freddy (or anyone else) makes a great connection with whom they are dealing with, then that is worth it's weight in gold. I can't tell you the number of sales guys I've tried talking to and just didn't get it.

[Invictus]

In Alberta, Canada, the only legal extra fees are GST and the tire fee ($5 per tire) if you pay the advertised price (the published price or sticker price). All the added delivery fees, administration fees, air conditioning fees, PDI, registration fees, luxury car tax, carbon tax, etc. ARE PROHIBITED BY LAW.

A dealer can try to tack them on and try to get you to pay them but they have no legal right to do so.

Be aware that if you negotiate the advertised price downward, then the dealers ARE allowed to add on all the other fees. But they are still negotiable.

This is why some dealers take the stickers off the cars. This goes for new and used cars.

I have checked these statements with the Alberta Consumer Protection people.

EDIT: Manufacturers' advertised prices are NOT bound by this law. Only dealerships, unless specific dealerships are mentioned in the manufacturer's advertised price.

[Rik84]

Just checked what docs I have kicking around and my PDI freight wasn't noted on what I have here at the house. I negotiated a final price and left it at that. I think it was noted around $3k though and I picked the car up off the showroom floor from Brian Jessel.