09-15-2012, 09:21 PM | #222 |
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That's c-x75 and veyronSS territory and half way to F1 territory. Now... Could still be lighter than s65 and makes way more power per liter. It is sad to talk about hp/l on boosted car though still impressive nontheless. Case 1. it has dual twin/single scrolls and a third larger single/twin scroll for top end (this could be airbox on left feeder).... Case 2. Electric super is only for instant bottom end (stil could have it). And then two larger twin scrolls. Case 3. Could be n54 turbo setup and best practices applied to n55 w.n20 tech thus having dual twin/single scroll turbos, one small, one bigger for bottom and middle with a third larger turbo for top end. Case 4. Triple scroll single turbo and combo of previous. Case 5. BMW petrol version of triple turbo diesel. Case 6. The third turbo is feeding the input brought through the a2a intercooler and then through the a2w for the dual twin/single scrolls. So if it's a heavily modified n55 block of aluminum w HDE injection and improved valvetronic for better top end this truly could be an amazing engine. It defintely is pushing fatter tires. Last edited by m balla; 09-15-2012 at 09:31 PM.. |
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09-15-2012, 09:55 PM | #223 |
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09-15-2012, 10:50 PM | #224 | |
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Like I said in a previous post, taking stock engines and going to town in the NA era was fucking impressive. Producing moderately more power and charging a premium for it in a turbo era is just silly. If porsche, who was in my estimation on par with M division, can do it, why can't BMW? PPS. Fuck CAFE right in the ear |
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09-15-2012, 11:43 PM | #225 |
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I don't know about you, but doesn't this (the engine bay) look like a complicated way of making 450+ hp? Are the marketing guys responsible for wanting to cram a lot of tech (also possibly untried with the supposed electric supercharger) in a car that peaople will want to drive the hell out of, which may result in reliability problems?
Although, it seems that with all this 'tech" it is making it harder for 'tuners' (oh boy, tuners) to go into the vehicle and make big changes---all they have to do now is have a laptop. |
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09-16-2012, 02:58 AM | #226 |
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Looks impressive and complex. I am sure it will live up to it heritage and be awesome.
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09-16-2012, 03:20 AM | #227 |
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Lol, So BMW pay him to big up the 1M, but a few shows later he slags off another BM product? What happenend, BMW run out of Clarkson funding?
Hmmmm. Personally I think he gets paid enough by BBC, and if he has any kind of bias it will be towards Mercedes, as he always owns a few of those personally. Last edited by NISFAN; 09-16-2012 at 03:30 AM.. |
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09-16-2012, 03:56 AM | #228 | |
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Anyway, if BMW had gone a bigger NA V8 as the powerplant for the new M3, it would be like bringing a knife to a gun fight....the C63, RS4 would have caned the M3. Turbo charging was the only option. Bit surprised they didn't turbo the V8, but this is probably due to packaging reasons. Whereas Mercedes are OK with a non 50/50 balanced car...BMW would never be so crude. Horsepower like in the playground is the headline figure I see. I would bet the new M3 engine is torque limited and produces a huge flat torque band that would see it blow a higher horsepower NA into the weeds. One thing for sure, the gearbox is the critical technology update. No doubt BMW will offer an MT version for the die hards, but the big performance version will only have two pedals.......oh the horror. |
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09-16-2012, 05:13 AM | #230 |
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If the new M3 had an ultra light NA 3.8l I6 making 450PS and 450 Nm, with 8.5 RPM redline, then it would be a good substitute for the S65. But not an N55. Hey, its an M3, not some JDM turbo monster.
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09-16-2012, 06:09 AM | #231 | |
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But we can´t know is F80 M3 engine real s-engine. I think it can´t be just slightly modified N55 .. |
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09-16-2012, 06:17 AM | #232 | |
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Sounds good? 350.5 kw / 470.0 bhp @ 9000 rpm Read more at http://www.supercars.net/cars/194.ht...ZEoLhyisCPF.99 |
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09-16-2012, 06:30 AM | #233 |
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That would be lame....and a financial disaster, mildly tuned 335's would be faster
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09-16-2012, 08:52 AM | #234 |
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The 1M is the ulimate fun car of 2011.hahaha Is that like BMW saying "we dont build cars,we build the ultimate driving machine" on an X5 commercial? Both must be using the word "ultimate" loosely. |
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Bottom line is that M3 no longer has a unique engine.
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09-16-2012, 11:06 AM | #237 |
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All previous M3 engines have been based on a lower spec production version. Not many high volume car companies can afford to make a one off engine for a single model line, BMW included.
The only companies that do are the likes of Lamborghini and Ferrari that use the same engine for decades. |
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09-16-2012, 11:41 AM | #238 | |
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09-16-2012, 12:15 PM | #239 |
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Just keep your V8 and pay it off if not already paid for... and if you want a new one get it while you can. There will be nice pre-owned examples to find. And supercharge it while your at it! I would still like to buy a pristine low mileage e46 m3.
Now, if you are an I6 fan and love the bottom more than the top this next car just may be the one for you. I can't think of a sweeter combo to get the manual transmission in: low end torque + manual + lsd. Hopefully it has a higher redline. Not sure how vtronic and the valvetrain play into that. I am sure lag will be mitigated as much as possible in this one. And think the engineering prowess BMW will be able to gloat because they were able to bring a 6 up to or exceed what the competition can do with an 8. It is kinda like the tiny yet massive engine and F1 going to 6 then 4 and the XJ220 with its savage turbo V6. BMW has already done the 8/10 quite well. Or have both. I just hope the F8x has some lungs up top. No matter what and no matter how much this or that or comparison is done, the S65 is and always will be a mechanical masterpiece and symphony. Like Scott said, not everyone is going to like the F8x. And I thought I read somewhere that the N54 was originally designed by the M division for use in future M cars or something like but they brought the 8 instead. I do wish the F8x was a P derived design. |
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09-16-2012, 12:38 PM | #240 |
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I'm sure it will be fast as shit, but I'm not impressed with the look at that engine bay or the sound of the engine.
Still loving the E9x M...
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09-16-2012, 02:07 PM | #242 |
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Only the S85 is a one off engine, the S65 was derived from the S85 so it is like any other M engine. The only special engine from BMW was the S85 as it was the only V10 ever put into a BMW while the are a lot of different BMW V8s around.
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