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And if I am not mistaken, even the base GT350 needs to be procured through a private importer and not through Ford Europe. So maybe the track pack on the GT350 is not even available either.
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The GT350 can be had in Europe through GeigerCars. Looking at their site, they do indeed have examples with the track pack for sale. But I don't believe they import the GT350R.
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Strange or ironically the base is the most rare of all of the GT350 variants. Even much more so than the R and they got somebody over there to agree to let them use it in this test. |
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I drove a GT350 last week and was overly impressed with it. So much that I didn't feel so great sitting in my ZCP M4 shortly after. Ford is currently making M engines better than M. The GT350 is a great car, just with a different personality than the M4. Imagine how great the M2 would be if they put an updated 2017 S54-based engine in it with 360hp? It would blow minds. |
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And yes I agree. That would blow minds. It's a shame about the turbo era which is founded on a bunch of misinformation. Turbo motors produce just as much if not more emissions as high strung NA motors when driven by normal human beings. M division had stated that NA motors had a lot of R&D left in them at the time of the s65 release. Funny you mention your experience with the mustang. When I owned my e92 m3 I drove a boss 302. I didn't expect to have the amount of fun I had in it. So much fun that I really didn't enjoy getting back in the e92.
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Interesting. I suspect most of you have never driven a GT 350. I have had 3 gen of M3, and have been a long time BMW guy. Plenty of M track time including the Ring. I bought the GT 350 instead of the new M4 and could not be happier. The look, the steering, the brakes, and the engine!! The sound at 8250 rpm is insane. The M4 sound is lame in comparison. Sure the interior is not as polished, but it is not that bad. This guy maybe can't drive a manual transmission, because all the tested numbers previously are way better than this. Go look up R Pobst's review of the GT 350! For 60k which is what mine cost it is a way better option than an 82k M4! You can have the overweight BMW's with sound pumped through the stereo. The Shelby is a bit raw, but the best GT bargain out there. And I daily drive mine with no issues whatsoever, other than people staring and taking pictures!!
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BMW, Porsche, etc do not typically make drastic changes to their model lines, even at lci, unlike Mercedes or Chevy or Ford, etc. One result of this is greater resale value (especially Porsche), thus allowing manuf (though not Porsche) to lower lease payments overall. Having owned 2 pre LCI versions of MB/AMG products, I know first hand how bad big changes result in accelerated depreciation. Secondary markets for the m3 has been excellent at least in Socal, where used cars are few and move very quickly. I've been monitoring used markets for m3's, corvettes, camaro's, ats-v, etc for months, also see resale posts/lease return threads from members on this forum. Ford's drastic changes with the new 2018 Mustangs will help Ford with sales, but will most likely hurt earlier owners of the same gen.
Another point, people here are comparing the last NA v8's vs new FI engines. They are not the same, and most people rightfully love their NA motors. I had a wonderful 6.2 V8 on my C63, sounded great, but got 14 MPG. Now, I am getting better performance, more usable torque on the street and 19 MPG on a turbo I6. Same hard driving, same hwy/st mix. Other than sound, no complaints, especially considering the FI revs to 7.5k. Ford, like everyone else is going the same direction, see FI on new Raptor replacing the 6.2, see Ford new GT ecotec v6 on their halo car.
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Isn't the GT350 like 200 lbs heavier than the M3/4?
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I've never achieved better than a 17 MPG average in the M3. My 2 year average in the 981 was around 16 or 17. Just sayin.
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A better comparison would be the 2.5 liter 4 that Porsche replaced on your car vs the 3.4. I would also emphasize the increase in performance numbers compared to the 2 engines as well, people don't understand that you get both better MPG and better performance numbers in normal driving. Also, mpg/emissions tests are conducted with "regular" driving, what most people do on the streets. If both are on the track, the MPG is going to be stupid low for both cars. If the goal is to reduce overall emissions and increase mpg, FI makes a huge difference.
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For various reasons, it is not possible to compare power ratings of NA and modern FI engine for performance. For instance, an S54 based engine with 360hp is essentially the E46 M3 CSL engine, and the N55 powered M2 uterly trumps it in terms of acceleration.
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When was the last time you achieved your advertised/tested 0-60? 0-60 times are only good for C&D comparisons & the 17 year olds who read them. The difference between the current M2 and decade old CSL is only 2-3 tenths of a second. I wouldn't call that trumping the CSL, and I'd still take that hit to have a good ole screaming N/A I6 under the hood. Hell, take the turbos off the S55 and throw that in there. The S55 is eerily similar to that of the S54 anyway. |
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See this picture, 3 different car brands... I give credit where it's due. I never said that GT350 was a bad car, I said it has terrible build quality.
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I too drove a GT350. I'm in the process of selling my M3 to get one. The only thing holding me back is the resale value of the M3 which is beyond abysmal. As a guy who buys used cars, drives them for a year or two and sells them, I have never taken a bath on a car like I have this M3. Cannot find a dealership anywhere near me willing to offer more than 49k for my fully-optioned and pristine 2015.
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