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F80/82 will be at 85-95k well optioned (carbon fiber seats, ceramic brakes, etc) Not much of a difference IMO.
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oh man...he said pleasantly!! Question is how pleasant??? 3300 pleasant??
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...and faster around the Nurburgring than both the E92 M3 GTS and E46 M3 CSL. This car has me vacillating more than my marriage. Lol
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I guess I shouldn't have posted that mods??My bad...anyway whoever missed the post it will have good weight target and over 425hp as stated
435 HP and Target Weight Less than 3300 Thanks for deleting my post twice, that's when you know you have the right info.
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I'm betting it'll be a twin-turbo 3.0L I6 with 430 PS (roughly 425 hp) and 375 lb-ft of torque. Red line would be 7400 rpm but power will drop way before that at 7250 rpm. Weight will be 3349 lbs in a stripped version that likely includes ceramic brakes and carbon seats.
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I really am far more interested in the weight than the horsepower, Hp and torque are fun, but weight reduction helps in every aspect of a good handling car.... And that's what the M3/M4 should be - a scalpel to AMGs Hammer, and Audi's Rubber mallet...
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Ah, stats make for good internet arguments. Let's DRIVE the thing and see how is dances. Then we'll argue. Given BMW M's track record, I'm very optimistic.
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Agree it will probably be closer to 450 about 105 less than the M5. Follows a trend where the E39/E46 was around 66hp, the E60/E90 around 86hp, and now F10/F80 is 106. Seems the gap grows by 20hp and the price about the same.
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i do'nt want to get too excited because I'm really expecting the such low weight based on the Civic M4. I'll get more excited once I find out its a fully optioned one weighing that little.
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This car will be another incredible machine and total package. I am only holding my breath on the fake piped in engine noise. That would be like listening to porn on the radio vs actually having sex.
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Although you are spot on with regards to underrating anf power to weight gains in torque are almost meaningless. As debated here extensively (peak) power (to weight) is the single most important fact in determining the performance across a broad range of street and track events. Peak torque is nearly meaningless as one can double and engines peak torque without adding a shred of performance. The same simply can not be said about peak power. Now if as a result of torque changes an engine produces more power earlier in its rpm range that additional power will provide additional performance.
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The inconsistency in your statement is that if you truly want to leave a "competitor" in a competitive car behind in the twisties, and the cars truly are near competitors, then we all know it is then only about which driver is willing to break the law in a bigger way... Just like with the current E92 M3 vs. C63 AMG wether you are comparing them on the track or drag strip it is generally a drivers race. Perhaps 60-130 is an exception to this.
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It's because 99% of the people here mix up PS and HP. PS is in SI units and 1 PS is slightly higher than a HP. BMW always states their numbers in PS and kW at launch since they launch in Europe. The F10 M5 has 560 PS (552 HP) and not 560 HP, but people say 560 HP anyways. I'm guessing they said 430 PS and thus Jason said "at least 425" to keep us guessing while not revealing the true number.
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