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      05-19-2016, 12:46 PM   #67
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Just wanted to give a +1 to Jay over at Endras BMW. He is definitely the guy to speak to if you are looking to get a new BMW. The most responsive and proactive, by far. You can tell he is an enthusiast like us and I think that is important.

I am still waiting for replies by some other CA's haha. Anyways, don't waste your time with haggling and all that. Just get the bottom line price from him. If he can do something, he will definitely try his best to get it for you. Otherwise, its probably not possible.
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      05-24-2016, 04:32 PM   #68
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Thank you to everyone who reached out recently! A few M cars sold!

To everyone who messaged in the past 3 weeks I just got back to all of you. Had a family emergency, but BACK NOW! Lets get some more cars on the road!
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Thanks for the support everyone. I am picking my first M3 tomorrow and will post some pics. It was a long journey (3 months in total).

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Thanks Jay Wong @ Endras BMW!!! Delivered today and everything is perfect. Top notch service from Jay and his team!!! I will definitely go back for future BMW purchase.
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Thanks Jay Wong @ Endras BMW!!! Delivered today and everything is perfect. Top notch service from Jay and his team!!! I will definitely go back for future BMW purchase.
Very nice. It looks like it already has a tint on it. Free add on?
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Hi Fellow Toronto BMW owners... I've finally decided to enter the market this summer for an M3.

Drove by T&C BMW yesterday and on a whim decided to pop in and look around. The salesman said they (and other GTA dealers) don't have any M3/4's available to test drive. Are Toronto area buyers purchasing without doing any test drive?

I'm just going through this thread and is Jay Wong or Javin Hui at Endras still the go to persons to get a deal? (Catch, I've already PM you.) Are we still looking at around 5% discount in/around GTA?
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      06-19-2016, 11:09 AM   #73
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Hi Fellow Toronto BMW owners... I've finally decided to enter the market this summer for an M3.

Drove by T&C BMW yesterday and on a whim decided to pop in and look around. The salesman said they (and other GTA dealers) don't have any M3/4's available to test drive. Are Toronto area buyers purchasing without doing any test drive?

I'm just going through this thread and is Jay Wong or Javin Hui at Endras still the go to persons to get a deal? (Catch, I've already PM you.) Are we still looking at around 5% discount in/around GTA?
I can't comment on other SAs in GTA, but Jay Wong is the person who made me buy a M3 on the spot. 3 weeks after, I bought another X4 from him. I am more focusing on client experience and this is the value proposition that he offers to all his clients.

Good luck.
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      06-19-2016, 02:08 PM   #74
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It's a car not some mythical unicorn, of course they are readily available for a test drive. Don't take the BS from T&C, go to another dealer. Like Endras as mentioned here and in countless other threads.
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It's a car not some mythical unicorn, of course they are readily available for a test drive. Don't take the BS from T&C, go to another dealer. Like Endras as mentioned here and in countless other threads.
Unfortunately, it is a mythical unicorn when it comes to a test drive. You would be hard pressed to get any sales agent to take you for a test drive even if you had cash in hand. Their line is people who want m3s don't need a test drive, which is ridiculous. But if you beg hard enough you might get lucky.

BMW Policy says don't let anyone test drive them.
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It's a car not some mythical unicorn, of course they are readily available for a test drive. Don't take the BS from T&C, go to another dealer. Like Endras as mentioned here and in countless other threads.
With due respect, it's certainly not a mythical unicorn to me as I've been a hard core BMW guy for >2 decades and T&C is known to me as is the salesman whom I know from previous transactions, so I don't think he would BS me beyond the usual salesman tactics that most on this board are cognizant.

I've been driving BMW's for a long time so I'm not averse to buying without a test drive but it's not my preference.
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I can't comment on other SAs in GTA, but Jay Wong is the person who made me buy a M3 on the spot. 3 weeks after, I bought another X4 from him. I am more focusing on client experience and this is the value proposition that he offers to all his clients.

Good luck.
Thank you, BBDC5, much appreciated! I fully intend to contact Jay as I trust this board's experience (I've been around here for a while). I'm not clear on what you mean by "client experience" but I'm knowledgeable about BMW's and willing to live with a rude salesman as long as I get a good price.

Or if by "client experience" you mean dealer service, I'm experienced enough with BMW's in Toronto to know that it's not static and can change over time. Thus, assuredly and unabashedly, purchase price is my #1 priority.
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      06-20-2016, 12:59 PM   #78
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I would ignore T&C and go to other dealership. I know if you are just a walk-in, they will likely not give you a test drive, especially places like T&C and Autohaus. However, I know numerous people had test drove the car before they purchased. Thus, whoever said no test drive, just walk away. I personally did not get to test drive, but then I was one of the early adopters, so they may truly not had stock. But by now, that's not a reasonable excuse. You can always to talk to Catch and test drive his car. just kidding

Definitely go check out Endras also. Heard only amazing things about Jay. I dealt with Jason Kwok and his service was amazing as well. Definitely won't hesitate to re-visit Endras for my next car.
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      06-21-2016, 11:47 AM   #79
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Definitely go check out Endras also.
Just as an FYI, stock levels are low. As of last week, they only had one M3 available for a test drive (non-CP). Might be sold by now though. No M4s at all, coupe or cab.
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      06-21-2016, 01:11 PM   #80
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Test drives in M cars are rare.... I have one to drive, until its sold of course... And depends on if the car is physically here.

As for someone test driving my car. It just wouldn't be a fair representation of the car at all. Mine is modified. Id rather someone drive one that reacts like the one theyre buying.

I've never test driven a car. Always just ordered and drove it when it arrived. I always just ensure I can fit inside the car comfortably, I'm 6'3 so not every car is size appropriate for me.

Replied to your PM Tacoma Lets work on making it happen

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anyone know what % discount I can get on a 2018 M4 when I order once after programs roll out in march. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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i test drove twice M3 and M4 at pfaff BMW in April 2015 before placing order

but might be a different situation now
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anyone know what % discount I can get on a 2018 M4 when I order once after programs roll out in march. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Go see Jay from endras BMW.
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anyone know what % discount I can get on a 2018 M4 when I order once after programs roll out in march. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Go see Jay from endras BMW.
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I don't know what the margins are on MY18. Given the previous model year trends you are probably looking at 5 to 8% discount. This depends on many factors, your negotiating skills, fleet discounts, car club discounts, loyalty etc... YMMV.

Either way as stated above work with the folks at Endras to hook you up.
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I don't know what the margins are on MY18. Given the previous model year trends you are probably looking at 5 to 8% discount. This depends on many factors, your negotiating skills, fleet discounts, car club discounts, loyalty etc... YMMV.

Either way as stated above work with the folks at Endras to hook you up.
5 to 8 % is a big range. lol
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I don't know what the margins are on MY18. Given the previous model year trends you are probably looking at 5 to 8% discount. This depends on many factors, your negotiating skills, fleet discounts, car club discounts, loyalty etc... YMMV.

Either way as stated above work with the folks at Endras to hook you up.
5 to 8 % is a big range. lol
It is yes, that's just from what I know and the discounts I have access to. The discounts could very well exceed 8% for more privileged folks.

It's no different than airfare, the range people pay for the same seat is mind blowing.
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There's like zero M4's CPO for sale that are under 70K. 2015-2016 moderate to low mileage CPO M4's in the US are going for low 60s. In Canada they are asking 79K! And the cars available for sale, dealers refuse to give test drives. Only after you purchase, do they allow it. I don't get it.
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