Next Level Auto Brokers
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Today's Posts

Go Back   BMW M3 and BMW M4 Forum > BMW F80 M3 / F82 M4 Forum > M3/M4 versus...

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      03-18-2018, 01:54 AM   #1
whoop_ass
Captain
whoop_ass's Avatar
355
Rep
719
Posts

Drives: non
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: On Earth

iTrader: (0)

Cars.co.za: Audi RS5 vs BMW M4 Competition Pack vs Mercedes-AMG C63 S Coupe

Here is a little write up on the testing of these 3 cars:

https://www.cars.co.za/motoring_news...s-coupe/44753/

As soon as the video is released I will post up details as well.

M4 CP stood it's ground.
Appreciate 1
      03-18-2018, 09:18 AM   #2
uniqueMR
Colonel
uniqueMR's Avatar
1883
Rep
2,924
Posts

Drives: ...
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: USA

iTrader: (0)

__________________
Currently: '24 Mercedes G63 | '24 Porsche GT3 RS | '24 Volkswagen GTI
Previous BMWs: 340i, 740i, 745Li, M3, M4
Previous Others: Audi, Ducati, Honda, Infiniti, Land Rover, Mercedes-Benz, MINI, Mitsubishi, Porsche, Toyota, Volkswagen
Appreciate 0
      03-18-2018, 09:43 AM   #3
CanAutM3
General
CanAutM3's Avatar
Canada
21117
Rep
20,741
Posts

Drives: 2021 911 turbo
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Montreal

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
for sharing.

Three mistakes i picked up in the article:
  • The C63 has a single clutch automatic, not a dual clutch
  • The M4 CP ride height is not lowered, it is the same height as the base M4
  • The M4 CP does not have have "front splitter tuned for downforce"

I always find it disappointing when journos fail do to their research homework

Still cool to see the M4 destroy the other two by 2+ seconds around the track
__________________
Porsche 911 turbo 2021 992 GT Silver

Previous cars: M4cs 2019 F82 Limerock Grey / M4 2015 F82 Silverstone / M3 2008 E92 Silverstone / M3 2002 E46 Carbon Black
Appreciate 2
JTO245274.50
minn1914028.50
      03-18-2018, 01:20 PM   #4
whoop_ass
Captain
whoop_ass's Avatar
355
Rep
719
Posts

Drives: non
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: On Earth

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by CanAutM3 View Post
for sharing.

Three mistakes i picked up in the article:
  • The C63 has a single clutch automatic, not a dual clutch
  • The M4 CP ride height is not lowered, it is the same height as the base M4
  • The M4 CP does not have have "front splitter tuned for downforce"

I always find it disappointing when journos fail do to their research homework

Still cool to see the M4 destroy the other two by 2+ seconds around the track

I can't agree with you more, but i take what I read with a pinch of salt.
it's a stock CP, what splitter has it got.. it's not a CS FFS!!!

and yes the merc has never had a DCT ever, BMW CP ride height is same as CIVIC just stiffer springs and Anti roll Bars with EDC standard.
how these guys get the jobs is beyond me, but ye, allot of home work should have been done ...
Appreciate 3
CanAutM321116.50
Seniorleb528.50
      03-19-2018, 03:18 PM   #5
Bahn360Photo
Fitness Gene
Bahn360Photo's Avatar
United_States
1113
Rep
2,413
Posts

Drives: 2018 M4
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: SoFlo

iTrader: (2)

Garage List
2006 bmw m5  [10.00]
2016 bmw z4 35is  [8.33]
2000 bmw m5  [10.00]
2018 BMW M4  [10.00]
1987 BMW 325 Conver ...  [10.00]
Good read

My favorite line;

Whatever BMW uses to measure the power on this M4 Competition Pack, it's inaccurate and it should probably be tossed in the bin. The M4 mercilessly reels in the Audi as if the latter's a family hatchback
__________________

Effective 11 Min Home Workouts?????
No equipment?????
20 years of experience
Spartan Race winner
PROtrainer!
Click the link??
https://www.youtube.com/c/FitnessGene
Appreciate 0
      03-19-2018, 03:52 PM   #6
F80 ZCP
First Lieutenant
105
Rep
311
Posts

Drives: Farm Truck
Join Date: May 2016
Location: California

iTrader: (0)

I think what author meant was that the M4 sits lower and has a lower center of gravity as compared to the RS5 and C63.
Appreciate 0
      03-19-2018, 06:57 PM   #7
FriskyDingo
Rather Ambivalent
FriskyDingo's Avatar
United_States
380
Rep
755
Posts

Drives: Spiritedly
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Trapped In My Mind

iTrader: (0)

The article pretty much matches my thoughts on the matter as well.
Appreciate 0
      03-21-2018, 02:42 PM   #8
dlk001
Private First Class
South Africa
155
Rep
154
Posts

Drives: F83 M4
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Johannesburg

iTrader: (0)

First video

Drag Race | BMW M4 Competition vs Mercedes AMG C63 S Coupe

__________________
F83 M4 Convertible, Austin Yellow
Previous BMW Cars
2012, E93 335i
2009, E92 335i
2005, E90 325i
Appreciate 0
      03-22-2018, 09:12 AM   #9
tropicalypso
Second Lieutenant
tropicalypso's Avatar
United_States
336
Rep
253
Posts

Drives: Occasionally
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Tampa, Fl

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Whatever BMW uses to measure the power on this M4 Competition Pack, it’s inaccurate and it should probably be tossed in the bin.


444hp my ass...
__________________
///M3 | 2018 | Black Sapphire | M Perf | BM3 Stage 1
Appreciate 0
      03-26-2018, 08:20 AM   #10
Inablur
Private First Class
163
Rep
176
Posts

Drives: Silber Bimmer
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Johannesburg

iTrader: (0)

RS5 vs c63s coupe...



The different result shows how much its pretty much a wash with these cars. If I remember correctly; there was another video where the new RS5 killed the M4 CP in a drag race, but not from these guys (Cars.co.za)...

edit:

Here is another vid with all 3 cars...


Appreciate 0
      03-26-2018, 10:31 AM   #11
CanAutM3
General
CanAutM3's Avatar
Canada
21117
Rep
20,741
Posts

Drives: 2021 911 turbo
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Montreal

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by Inablur View Post
RS5 vs c63s coupe...



The different result shows how much its pretty much a wash with these cars. If I remember correctly; there was another video where the new RS5 killed the M4 CP in a drag race, but not from these guys (Cars.co.za)...

edit:

Here is another vid with all 3 cars...


That CarWOW video is more representative of what to expect from an RS5. I am not a fan of the RS5, but that Quattro traction off the line is not to be dismissed.
__________________
Porsche 911 turbo 2021 992 GT Silver

Previous cars: M4cs 2019 F82 Limerock Grey / M4 2015 F82 Silverstone / M3 2008 E92 Silverstone / M3 2002 E46 Carbon Black
Appreciate 0
      03-26-2018, 03:31 PM   #12
Inablur
Private First Class
163
Rep
176
Posts

Drives: Silber Bimmer
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Johannesburg

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by CanAutM3 View Post
That CarWOW video is more representative of what to expect from an RS5. I am not a fan of the RS5, but that Quattro traction off the line is not to be dismissed.
Agreed... It is evident that each manufacturer's philosophy is still inherent in their vehicles. Audis are great drag racers, Mercs are torque monsters, for highway pulls and Bimmers are the sharpest tools for carving corners
Appreciate 1
CanAutM321116.50
      03-27-2018, 10:40 AM   #13
dlk001
Private First Class
South Africa
155
Rep
154
Posts

Drives: F83 M4
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Johannesburg

iTrader: (0)

RS5 vs M4 CP

__________________
F83 M4 Convertible, Austin Yellow
Previous BMW Cars
2012, E93 335i
2009, E92 335i
2005, E90 325i
Appreciate 0
      03-27-2018, 09:07 PM   #14
M3_WC
Brigadier General
1040
Rep
3,622
Posts

Drives: M3
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: CA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by CanAutM3 View Post
That CarWOW video is more representative of what to expect from an RS5. I am not a fan of the RS5, but that Quattro traction off the line is not to be dismissed.
Yeah, here is another video of RS5 taking the win. M4 doesn't run down the RS5 like Cars.co.za video. That particular M4 is suspiciously fast, how easily it runs down RS5 and C63 in just a 1/4 mile. I would expect in a longer run, not such a short distance.

Appreciate 0
      03-27-2018, 09:23 PM   #15
CanAutM3
General
CanAutM3's Avatar
Canada
21117
Rep
20,741
Posts

Drives: 2021 911 turbo
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Montreal

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by M3_WC View Post
Yeah, here is another video of RS5 taking the win. M4 doesn't run down the RS5 like Cars.co.za video. That particular M4 is suspiciously fast, how easily it runs down RS5 and C63 in just a 1/4 mile. I would expect in a longer run, not such a short distance.

Yup. That's how it should be when an RS5 is pitted against an M4 from a dig. Can't beat that Quattro traction.

With a 12.64 second ¼ mile, I don't see the M4 in the OP to be particularly fast. The RS5 and C63 seem particularly slow though. I think the issue resides between the seat and steering wheel.
__________________
Porsche 911 turbo 2021 992 GT Silver

Previous cars: M4cs 2019 F82 Limerock Grey / M4 2015 F82 Silverstone / M3 2008 E92 Silverstone / M3 2002 E46 Carbon Black
Appreciate 2
Inablur163.00
Kimeran69.00
      03-28-2018, 12:01 AM   #16
M3_WC
Brigadier General
1040
Rep
3,622
Posts

Drives: M3
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: CA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by CanAutM3 View Post
Yup. That's how it should be when an RS5 is pitted against an M4 from a dig. Can't beat that Quattro traction.

With a 12.64 second ¼ mile, I don't see the M4 in the OP to be particularly fast. The RS5 and C63 seem particularly slow though. I think the issue resides between the seat and steering wheel.
Mostly likely the explanation. The rate at which the M4 ran down the other cars and even pulled a car length, in just the back half. Did not seem realistic.
Appreciate 1
Inablur163.00
      03-28-2018, 02:33 PM   #17
vladberca
Major General
vladberca's Avatar
Romania
763
Rep
5,561
Posts

Drives: '18 octavia 2.0 tdi dsg
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Craiova

iTrader: (0)

If you launch the bimmer properly it will be fast enough even in a straight. But this can't be done by average Joe
Appreciate 0
      03-28-2018, 03:03 PM   #18
CanAutM3
General
CanAutM3's Avatar
Canada
21117
Rep
20,741
Posts

Drives: 2021 911 turbo
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Montreal

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by vladberca View Post
If you launch the bimmer properly it will be fast enough even in a straight. But this can't be done by average Joe
An RS5 will do consistent 3.5 second 0-60mph launches. No M3/4 can match this on the stock tires, regardless of driver.
__________________
Porsche 911 turbo 2021 992 GT Silver

Previous cars: M4cs 2019 F82 Limerock Grey / M4 2015 F82 Silverstone / M3 2008 E92 Silverstone / M3 2002 E46 Carbon Black
Appreciate 0
      03-28-2018, 07:34 PM   #19
whoop_ass
Captain
whoop_ass's Avatar
355
Rep
719
Posts

Drives: non
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: On Earth

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by CanAutM3 View Post
Yup. That's how it should be when an RS5 is pitted against an M4 from a dig. Can't beat that Quattro traction.

With a 12.64 second ¼ mile, I don't see the M4 in the OP to be particularly fast. The RS5 and C63 seem particularly slow though. I think the issue resides between the seat and steering wheel.
this test track is at 5000 ft above sea level

the cars.co.za test track is at sea level just to make things clear
Appreciate 0
      03-29-2018, 02:56 AM   #20
Inablur
Private First Class
163
Rep
176
Posts

Drives: Silber Bimmer
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Johannesburg

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by whoop_ass View Post
this test track is at 5000 ft above sea level

the cars.co.za test track is at sea level just to make things clear

That is somewhat negligible as all cars are twin turbo charged. Ciro (from Cars.co.za) previously mentioned in one of their videos that this track is slippery from all the burnt rubber on the tarmac surface, making it generally hard for cars to hook up properly... So that could be the most logical explanation?
Appreciate 1
CanAutM321116.50
      03-29-2018, 09:09 PM   #21
trey100
Colonel
trey100's Avatar
United_States
1125
Rep
2,564
Posts

Drives: 2020 M2 Competition
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: New York

iTrader: (0)

When do we get an RS4 sedan?
Appreciate 0
      03-29-2018, 09:32 PM   #22
Dirty Harry
Private
Dirty Harry's Avatar
United_States
66
Rep
88
Posts

Drives: 2018 M3 zcp
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: San Diego, California

iTrader: (0)

Good read. Thanks for sharing
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:36 AM.




f80post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST