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      12-13-2016, 07:48 PM   #397
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I tried all settings at The Ridge Motorsports park with a 1st corner speed up to 200kmhr. Only slight lightness felt in rear under braking with wing at street setting. It was a marginal difference than in full track but I feel it got to speed quicker on the long straight in Street setting so only lap times will tell.
Thanks for sharing your experience. It makes sense.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but even at the Ridge, cornering speeds are well below 125mph (200km/h), even in turn-1.
Very close to 200 at T1. You are trail braking through it.
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Very close to 200 at T1. You are trail braking through it.
T-1 at The Ridge is indeed a very fast turn. From videos, it reminds me of T-1 at Calabogie Motorsport Park.

From the videos I watched, it seems most fast cars turn-in around 100mph. Even a sub 1:50 Radical with tons of aero turns-in at ~110mph and apexes at ~105mph.

Regardless, I think we agree that the aero setting on the GTS' rear wing will likely not make or break the GTS in terms of handling .
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Very close to 200 at T1. You are trail braking through it.
T-1 at The Ridge is indeed a very fast turn. From videos, it reminds me of T-1 at Calabogie Motorsport Park.

From the videos I watched, it seems most fast cars turn-in around 100mph. Even a sub 1:50 Radical with tons of aero turns-in at ~110mph and apexes at ~105mph.

Regardless, I think we agree that the aero setting on the GTS' rear wing will likely not make or break the GTS in terms of handling .
Re watched the m lap timer and yes at 166kmhr the steering wheel turns left
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F Jeremy Clarkson!!! Just another a$$ clown Brit like Simon Cowell. I could give a crap less about his opinion!
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Interesting that Evo, for the 2016 Car of the Year, called it the most divisive car they've ever tested.
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Interesting that Evo, for the 2016 Car of the Year, called it the most divisive car they've ever tested.
Two reviewers for EVO also picked it as the number 1 car.
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Two reviewers for EVO also picked it as the number 1 car.
Right, some love it many hate it which firmly puts it as the Kanye West of cars
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It acually will do just that. When you ever try out a GTS in the wet no aero vs full aero even you will understand this!


I just look at that evo car of the year thing, and Please see that is a street test. Now look how GTS is set in aero, its street mode. Ok that not that strange as the are at street and its against the law to drive front splitter Max out full aero.


Anyway, you hear those guys say GTS is scary in wet, it lose grip so easy. So true, and to many car mag guys drive this no aero setting on track

Well guess what-the rear wing give 4kg downforce in street setting at 200. But full max aero in rear wing its 90kg downforce 200. Would you think its strange Clarkson think car was a handfull as well in the wet, (he Said same as evo)

Why -he was also in street setting on all the front and rear. But he was on a kind of track-now thats

So, belive me or not- if you drive GTS Max (not 0 aero as in street aero setting) aero in wet it that big difference you will be amazed! Totaly transformation of car, its grippy as hell vs no aero.

So, I can understand evo car of the year 2016 driving GTS no aero as they only drive street, but If they would Max out that aero front and rear on street it would been totaly tranformed car! I know this, you dont!

Clarkson well, that part I can't understand, he drove track no aero, well then its lose. No grip.

Buy the way, i drive full aero even on street, I dont care. As its adictive the way car grips in rain vs no aero on=streetmode aero. You can just take a steep back now and pop out when you spent a few full days on track with a GTS, then also you should go true no aero vs full aero, dry and wet. Then I am al ears, untill then not so much compadre.



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T-1 at The Ridge is indeed a very fast turn. From videos, it reminds me of T-1 at Calabogie Motorsport Park.

From the videos I watched, it seems most fast cars turn-in around 100mph. Even a sub 1:50 Radical with tons of aero turns-in at ~110mph and apexes at ~105mph.

Regardless, I think we agree that the aero setting on the GTS' rear wing will likely not make or break the GTS in terms of handling .

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      12-14-2016, 03:26 PM   #406
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But full aero its 90kg downforce 200.
So it is 90kg at 200km/h now

You seem totally oblivious to what I write. Go read it again, and then comment.
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      12-14-2016, 03:37 PM   #407
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I will check it later. The right nr.

But mean while this is rather more intressing what any of those car mag guys thinks objektiv. GTS is at 7.37min whit same driver who drove most other cars.
Also sport auto mesure temp outside when they drive, no car here was driven under worse heat conditions than GTS. 30+ degrees in shade, and they also comment that GTS beeing 2X turbo car suffer from this heat. When factory BMW drove GTS it was early morning and 7-13degrees, car drive better then.

Also 991 GT3 RS was very hot, same 30+ i might ad. Then again that car will not suffer as much, even sport auto also mention it was suffering from the heat


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Same driver did lap GTS 1.09.06 on this short version of hockenheim GP TRACK. 2.6km lap. Here GTS was overal not on bad heat conditions. So what ever some one think in a objektive way is one thing. These hard nr. Is one whole other thing. And those mags that cant get GTS to pull the right nr. need to know how to set it up right😉

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Sorry, that 90kg is in high speed. Still, what ever the nr. Aero is real and very much transform car, very much in rain. But also in dry.

Here is the nr.




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So it is 90kg at 200km/h now

You seem totally oblivious to what I write. Go read it again, and then comment.
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Sorry, that 90kg is in high speed. Still, what ever the nr. Aero is real and very much transform car, very much in rain. But also in dry.

Here is the nr.
So pretty much in line with the numbers I posted earlier.

OK then, so what is the cornering speed on a wet track, or on a wet street?

How much downforce do you think you get from the rear wing at those speeds?
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So pretty much in line with the numbers I posted earlier.

OK then, so what is the cornering speed on a wet track, or on a wet street?

How much downforce do you get from the rear wing at those speeds?
I'd say close to nothing significant.......BUT..... if you set it all up right like its life depended on it, it suddenly becomes magical. Unfortunately, no one other than the maybe 1 or 2 setup gods on this forum knows this magical way.
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      12-15-2016, 07:23 AM   #412
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Yes, as I said I did mention wrong nr, and also sorry for that. It no problem for me to do that. I was refering to top speed downforce rear. Much nr. Easy to mix it up. But we are straight now.

So, please understand that this aero do very much for the car, its one part wich totaly differ GTS from vanila M4.

If you please mind to study sport auto nr. In aero Department GTS vs Vanila M4 you could(I hope) notice that vanila M4 got lift front and rear,that is no downforce at all. Now see GTS aero, it the other way around =GTS give real downforce ....If its set on Max aero that is!! Here its set Max aero!

Now for the last time, I you drive a GTS IN STREET MODE ON FRONT AND REAR AERO, its hardly give any downforce! Sure its not as bad as M4 as you se in pic.
But its only like 4kg rear of somthing in that range at 200km.
Cant you and your Crew just get it, you have not even driven a GTS! You might want to try it before you stick to glue in your opinion that it do not matter. It matter, very much and thats why most crap magazine guys have not experience the real GTS when they are on track in aero streetmode and even worse, high street setting on the average GP track.

Oh, just a pointer-as you see sport auto mention aero play a significant roll on the GTS, if you ever drive one off and on all aero in the right setting you also might notice.



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So pretty much in line with the numbers I posted earlier.

OK then, so what is the cornering speed on a wet track, or on a wet street?

How much downforce do you think you get from the rear wing at those speeds?

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And in regards to motortrend launch on M4 GTS, well they dont know how to.

Here is Sport auto launch GTS vs 991 GT3( yes you polish the eyewear now, thats identical as GT3) Not bad for a GTS, front engine and thats 137kg more pork. Also GTS way cheep in euro vs GT3. To me GTS is a god find, not at al expencive looking at its performance!

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Well I guess you guys now say sport auto only had a lucky run on GTS to pull that off.

Thats why I post auto bild doing GTS 0-200 even faster at 12.2. Motortrend ..meh.

For the last time motortrend had more fokus on creating a god film by launchcontrol 100 + cars or whatever than to launch the GTS propper. Yes, GTS is no turn key car, it will never do well out of the Box in your average test.

GT3 do ok on launch as weight on cups hence not that depending on warm cups. AMG GT-S with that wide tire also is not that senitive, alot of cars do better out of Box than GTS.

But GTS need to launch them not that wide rear cups hot, 600nm front engine will never launch solid if on cold cup. But very well if hot!!

So, If you know what you do you can also launch a GTS fast. Who care anyway on 0-200. Just want to show a point. I could post several more that know how to ..But I am done with the launch thing.
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GTS is 3 sec faster here on sachsenring vs M4, that is when GTS is Max aero front and rear and low GP tracksetting on GTS. GTS pull a high 1.42G as Max on sachsenring in that setting. Guys, It will not happen if they drove here in streetsetting high mode and street aero mode= wich give hardly no aero effect on GTS.

Clarkson test, meh...

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Cant you and your Crew just get it
Seems more like you're the one not getting it
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Was that the best you could pull out🙄

And some day you start driving a GTS rather than just nail you face to the magazine you might get it? You have no comment on the aero sport auto pic. I put out?

That part that vanila M4 produce plenty of lift and not downforce. That GTS in street mode aero setting is not producing downforce. But at Max aero track setting it very much do produce downforce. So we dont need to be a nuclear scientist to see the lack of laptimes and people feel GTS slippery and twitcy.........well could that be due to them drive it in steetmode-where it produce near to no downforce?

Thats very much the case!



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